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Subjectmatter
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Why would they need a physical representation? Have you never studied mathematics Bigbrain? Calculating the distance and angle between one point and another using only algebraic representation, even in 3 dimensions, is not difficult. Distance is not really a problem.
Of course, planets move, and you need to work with high speeds and consider a variety of factors which are not immediately apparent, which makes it difficult for you or me. But NASA has plenty of astronomers and mathematicians as well as powerful computers at its disposal, for them the task is far from impossible.
You suffer from a distinct lack of respect for academics, Bigbrain. We are talking about literally thousands of people dedicating their whole lives to what you so callously dismiss after a cursory glance as a fabrication. Many would consider you to be highly offensive, for you belittle their hard work.
I suggest that you study physics at university level for a couple of years before you make any more comments like the above. |
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filthy
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 12:24:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
Originally posted by filthy
They don't need to "see" the craft to know by it's signals exactly it's location, heading and speed.
THIS IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT STATEMENT:
NASA buffoons say they can guide a rocket to Saturn at a distance of 1,500,000,000 km from the Earth.
Suppose that with radio signals they know its location, direction and velocity.
BUT NASA BUFFOONS MUST HAVE A PHYSICAL REPRESENTATION OF THEIR ROCKET AND OF SATURN TO CHECK THEIR MUTUAL POSITIONS.
HOW CAN THEY REPRESENT ON A SCREEN A DISTANCE OF 1,500,000,000 KM?
THEY CAN'T.
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[quote] Why would they need a physical representation? Have you never studied mathematics Bigbrain? Calculating the distance and angle between one point and another using only algebraic representation, even in 3 dimensions, is not difficult. Distance is not really a problem.
Of course, planets move, and you need to work with high speeds and consider a variety of factors which are not immediately apparent, which makes it difficult for you or me. But NASA has plenty of astronomers and mathematicians as well as powerful computers at its disposal, for them the task is far from impossible.
You suffer from a distinct lack of respect for academics, Bigbrain. We are talking about literally thousands of people dedicating their whole lives to what you so callously dismiss after a cursory glance as a fabrication. Many would consider you to be highly offensive, for you belittle their hard work.
I suggest that you study physics at university level for a couple of years before you make any more comments like the above.
Subjectmatter is entirely right, bigbrain. You have not even the most tenious grasp of the subject or of the science. Hell, even this parcel of luddites has a better conception of it than you.
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Subject: STOP CASSINI NEWSLETTER #54 - October 7th, 1997
Hi!
A senior Cassini engineer, in remarks to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, lets the cat out of the bag. We can hold hearings on Cassini and still not affect the missions science return significantly if in the end we still decide to launch. See leadoff story for details...
Sincerely, Russell D. Hoffman, Editor, STOP CASSINI NEWSLETTER
***** STOP CASSINI NEWSLETTER Volume #54, October 7th, 1997 *****
Today's subjects:
This launch can be delayed long enough for hearings. READ THIS!
Suit filed in Hawaii Against Cassini
A letter to Hillary Rodham Clinton's aides from Mark Anderson
A poem about Cassini by A New York student
Anti-Cassini cartoons on the Internet from Finland
More Anti-Cassini cartoons on the Internet
From the email 'in' box
More from the email 'in' box
And one more from the email 'in' box
****** VOLUME #54 October 7th, 1997 ******
By Russell D. Hoffman
Copyright (c) Russell D. Hoffman
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*** This launch can be delayed long enough for hearings. READ THIS:
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From The Atlanta Journal Constitution Sunday, October 5th, page D-10, in an article titled A GRAND TOUR OF SATURN by Mike Turner:
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"Because the succession of gravity assists depends on the location of the planets, NASA desperately wants to launch the Cassini spacecraft on time. The launch has already been delayed a week to give ground crews a chance to repair damage from a minor launch pad accident. The spacecraft is back on the launch pad, perched atop the Titan IV rocket that will carry it into space, but Kohlhase says any lengthy delays in the next few weeks will be harder to deal with. As the Planets shift position, the amount of time it takes the spacecraft to reach Saturn will increase and the work it can do when it arrives will decrease. "For the best results, we would really like to launch before November 4th." Kohlhase says, "After that, any delay will force us to give up something."
END OF CLIP
Charles Kohlhase is the Project Science and Mission Director for Cassini at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
It is obvious from his statement that a delay at least through November 4th would NOT severely impact the mission objectives, which means WE HAVE TIME FOR HEARINGS on this mess. In the last few weeks, NASA has stated REPEATEDLY they have never felt such heat, yet we had hearings over sending a few astronauts to MIR last month. (None of whom personally objected to going and that is why we call them heros.) On Spaceship Earth, many people object to being threatened by Cassini.
Hearings are the appropriate forum to resolve the opponent's many fears, even if those fears are unfounded, but especially if they turn out not to be unfounded. We have time for hearings. Many of us have called for hearings from the very beginning... Now our voice is loud and clear and crowded -- it is time! I have not heard President Clinton speak about Cassini, state his reasons why "science" (what NASA passes off as science) must move forward no matter how many people object, no matter how substantive their objections, no matter how safe and obvious the alternatives, not matter what the risk to humanity. He has not made such a speech, has he? NO! Rather, Dr. John Gibbons, his Science Advisor, advised him to go ahead and allow someone to push the button. But surely as everyone knows this is the hottest topic around this week. I have heard reliable reports for a month now that President Clinton is getting more mail, faxes, email, and phone calls on Cassini than on anything else. That is why he had Dr. Gibbons review the matter in the past three weeks! Now, around the nation people are crying, yet still he is silent."
So, can you come up with some genuine evidence, are you just going to continue to wave your hands and blither?
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bigbrain
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 13:01:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Subjectmatter
Why would they need a physical representation? Have you never studied mathematics Bigbrain? Calculating the distance and angle between one point and another using only algebraic representation, even in 3 dimensions, is not difficult. Distance is not really a problem.
Mathematics and calculations are no use if you can't represent physically on a screen your probe and Saturn and their mutual positions.
You can't guide your probe to Saturn if you can't see them in their mutual positions.
Moreover, on a two-dimension screen you can't represent their positions in 3D space.
NASA buffoons are only swindlers.
They can't see anything in the deep universe, they can't represent anything on their screens, they can't guide anything with their ridiculous keyboards.
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"Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit" (Flattery gets friends, truth hatred)
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 13:08:36 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain
Originally posted by Subjectmatter
Why would they need a physical representation? Have you never studied mathematics Bigbrain? Calculating the distance and angle between one point and another using only algebraic representation, even in 3 dimensions, is not difficult. Distance is not really a problem.
Mathematics and calculations are no use if you can't represent physically on a screen your probe and Saturn and their mutual positions.
You can't guide your probe to Saturn if you can't see them in their mutual positions.
Moreover, on a two-dimension screen you can't represent their positions in 3D space.
NASA buffoons are only swindlers.
They can't see anything in the deep universe, they can't represent anything on their screens, they can't guide anything with their ridiculous keyboards.
Oh, bullshit! You are an ignoramus unable, or worse, unwilling to learn about anything beyond the end of your nose.
Study, bigbrain. Study and learn..,,
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Ricky
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bigbrain
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 13:43:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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3d on your 2d screen.
Hey, you must study very much if you want to understand something.
Notice the cube while it turns around itself, everything deforms on the screen:
lenghts of edges, angles, perpendicularity, parallelism, shapes, surfaces, volumes.
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"Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit" (Flattery gets friends, truth hatred)
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Ricky
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 15:09:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Study something? I've programmed using a 3d graphics library known as OpenGL for displaying 3d scenes on a screen.
And of course the lenghts of edges change! Parts get further and closer to you. But as for the rest, they remain constant.
Make that two. Gotta love OpenGL. |
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Hawks
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 15:16:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Ok then. We are about half way though another thread. That would make this 3 and a half thread of this nonsense now? My my my…
I must commend you all for holding your own. Personally, I prefer masturbating in privet…
Gorse too "pricky" for you?
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 10/03/2005 : 07:51:49 [Permalink]
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Mathematics and calculations are no use if you can't represent physically on a screen your probe and Saturn and their mutual positions.
You can't guide your probe to Saturn if you can't see them in their mutual positions.
Moreover, on a two-dimension screen you can't represent their positions in 3D space.
I think bigbrain has been watching too many 1950s sci-fi movies, where the white lab coated scientists huddle around the Philco screen watching the large rocket ship with the pointy flame shooting out the bottom hurtle though deepest space.
Now, bigbrain, what about the artificial satellites in earth orbit? Are they up there? |
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CourseKnot
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Posted - 10/03/2005 : 09:04:47 [Permalink]
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| Wreck... do you mean the satellites that make the internet work intercontinentally? |
Just flying through space with the rest of you... |
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Ricky
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pleco
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Posted - 10/03/2005 : 13:03:11 [Permalink]
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| I don't exist either. |
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bigbrain
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Posted - 10/04/2005 : 10:10:29 [Permalink]
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I have seen again the TV film of Lunar Landing.
The moon landing was faked because when the Control Tower System (CTS) asked a question to the Astronauts the replies were instant with no delays.
This is impossible.
Via satellite there is about a 0.7 second delay from London to USA, so how is it possible for instant replies from the Moon?
Ask sts60 to calculate the delay.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 10/04/2005 : 10:23:20 [Permalink]
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*Ok he's just one way of explaining it... {Edited, for clarity} Transmission to moon from houston(delay), WHICH IS RECORDED ON THE DATA RECORDER at the same time as the Astros hear it, Astros respond WHICH IS RECORDED ON THE DATA RECORDER before being sent back (delay) Houston receives response.
* I feel bigbrain is still just pulling your chains to get a rise, no one is that stupid. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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