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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 01/28/2006 : 14:35:59 [Permalink]
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I just check out the cover and first few pages of the book on Amazon.com. Critics call Frey "unerring" and "honest", and this book a "genuine account", so it most certainly deceptive in its packaging. However, there was a comment on the back that seemed to fit better. It compared the book to "War and Peace" (a novel) and ended raving about "the writing, the writing, the writing."
It's a shame this book was published under dishonest auspices because it seems like the guy is a great story teller and managed to write a truly moving tale. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 01/28/2006 : 15:39:18 [Permalink]
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marfknox pronounced:quote:
It's a shame this book was published under dishonest auspices because it seems like the guy is a great story teller and managed to write a truly moving tale.
Agreed. Frey could have simply called this a novel. He could then have effectively promoted it by honestly pointing out that his real life experiences inspired much of it. He's apparently got good technical skills with prose. All he had to do was to call it a novel! What a waste. And the movie adaptation is apparently now being dropped, too. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/29/2006 : 01:05:43 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Snake
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Wondering what it is that you think O'Reilly is knowing not representing correctly?...
Are your kidding? He's a pathological liar or as I learned in a recent thread, psychotic, mildly delusional.
Try Frankin's Lies and the Lying Liars that Tell Them. Quote after quote of O'Reilly's, in his own voice are debunked on a regular basis on Frankin's radio show. Media Matters is a secondary source if Frankin's facts need confirming. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/29/2006 : 01:10:50 [Permalink]
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Marf, the stem cell faking didn't get the same headlines as Oprah. But I see now that I have paid closer attention that the big issue is the usual celeb gossip that passes for prime time news. Oprah is big news to the news marketers.
I think both the faked novel and the faked research warranted equally decent coverage. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 01/29/2006 : 02:34:09 [Permalink]
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beskeptigal communicated: quote:
I think both the faked novel and the faked research warranted equally decent coverage.
The stem cell fakery matters a whole lot more. It must have set back a lot of researchers in terms of getting support. Imagine how much harder it just got to convince people to make a research grant in the field. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/29/2006 : 04:08:38 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
beskeptigal communicated: quote:
I think both the faked novel and the faked research warranted equally decent coverage.
The stem cell fakery matters a whole lot more. It must have set back a lot of researchers in terms of getting support. Imagine how much harder it just got to convince people to make a research grant in the field.
Heh, it's worse than you think. I've read that the guy will probably get to keep his patents. TANFJ, eh?
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/29/2006 : 10:47:01 [Permalink]
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beskeptical wrote: Marf, the stem cell faking didn't get the same headlines as Oprah.
And this is why I get most of my news from NPR and certain trustworthy sources online, and don't bother at all with television news. I actually haven't heard one word on the Oprah thing outside of what has been posted/discussed on this forum. But when that corrupt researcher story came out, it was all over NPR in detail.
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the_ignored
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Posted - 01/29/2006 : 12:46:52 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
Da filth snarls:
As a sometime freelance writer of non-fiction, I strongly object to these clowns who knowingly represent a load of bullshit as fact. This overflows into loathing when I read of O'Reilly and Limbaugh's verbal offal.
'Cause it's all the same thing, you see. If Frey's work is sold under false representation, then he and his agents are no better than they and their enablers.
I'm with HalfMooner on this one.
Damn straight. Now, if they'd only get on the cases of the Von Danikens as well, we'd accomplish something. At least this small time guy, Frey, was caught out.
We need to develop more of an attitude about stuff like this. If no one cared about this stuff happening, then the perpetrators would just carry on with it, and the problem would get worse. We need more half-mooners out there. |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/29/2006 : 13:11:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
beskeptical wrote: Marf, the stem cell faking didn't get the same headlines as Oprah.
And this is why I get most of my news from NPR and certain trustworthy sources online, and don't bother at all with television news. I actually haven't heard one word on the Oprah thing outside of what has been posted/discussed on this forum. But when that corrupt researcher story came out, it was all over NPR in detail.
My friend, you need to add Democracy Now to that list of news sources. NPR is very good. Democracy Now covers real news even NPR misses and they do an excellent job as well.
One example, in the 2004 election the Republicans tried to get some university students to have to vote in the states they came from rather than the current states they lived in. NPR covered the story, but only Democracy Now mentioned the fact the issue had gone before the Supreme Court in the past and the right to vote where you live not where you used to live was upheld.
For example, this week (which I heard a repeat of today on Air America) on Democracy Now they covered the Hamas story by telling how the news was presented in various Arab countries. It's so important, yet no TV news bothers with such a simple issue. NPR may or may not pick up on such a story, but DN has the daily news like NPR doesn't.
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Snake
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Posted - 01/30/2006 : 01:11:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
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Originally posted by Snake
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Wondering what it is that you think O'Reilly is knowing not representing correctly?...
Are your kidding? He's a pathological liar or as I learned in a recent thread, psychotic, mildly delusional.
Try Frankin's Lies and the Lying Liars that Tell Them. Quote after quote of O'Reilly's, in his own voice are debunked on a regular basis on Frankin's radio show. Media Matters is a secondary source if Frankin's facts need confirming.
I like the way O'Reilly is clam and explains things. Unlike those who are so far to one side or the other of an issue who get, we'll be polite and say....overly excited and don't express their views very well because they are so busy complaining about the Democrats or Republicans.
I don't know what Frankin's Lies and the Lying Liars is. And I don't know about a Frankin radio show or Media Matters, what is all that? If it's a place that has neutral information about issues like the 'League of Women Voters' does, then I'll be happy to look at it.
I'm a little uncomfortable with the word liar in that title, sounds like people calling each other names and slanting a POV. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 03:51:53 [Permalink]
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O'Reilly tells very specific and very refutable tall tales.
Like he never tells anyone on his show to "shut up", straight from his mouth, then they play about 10 different clips of him telling guests to "shut up". He made claims stating, "When I was in combat". Then a caller called in and said, "Mr O'Reilly, you were never in the service, were you?" O'Reilly, "No I was not." Then he went on about being a reporter and I've heard him say one time it was the Falklands and the second time he said it was Central America. With the caller, O'Reilly went on to call him names and hung up on him. Frankin had that caller on live here in Seattle when I went to the show. Frankin played the tape from O'Reilly's show.
These are less consequential examples but they're easy to remember. Frankin and O'Reilly just about got into a physical fight at a CSPAN covered book event when Frankin called O'Reilly on his claim to have grown up in a poor area of town when it really was an upscale area. In Frankin's book he has the address published and got it from the property records. O'Reilly claims to have come from a modest background but it isn't true if you believe the property records.
I'll find more for you. O'Reilly lies about very consequential things. He has been outed many times again with very specific quotes and very specific information contradicting the quotes. Not to mention his claim to be for moral American values while he wrote a pornographic book, which BTW, is available as read by the author, and which had scenes that mirrored the obscene calls he made to the woman he paid off the work harassment suit to rather than go to trial over.
You can ignore the facts with the idea they are only accusations from impartial people, but the facts are what they are no matter who brings them to one's attention. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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3834 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2006 : 03:54:10 [Permalink]
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| The Daily Show was so funny tonight. Stewart compared scene after scene of Oprah confronting the lying author with the news medias' scene after scene failing to confront the administration's lies on Iraq, etc. It was great! |
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Snake
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 15:03:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
Not to mention his claim to be for moral American values while he wrote a pornographic book, which BTW, is available as read by the author, and which had scenes that mirrored the obscene calls he made to the woman he paid off the work harassment suit to rather than go to trial over.
You can ignore the facts with the idea they are only accusations from impartial people, but the facts are what they are no matter who brings them to one's attention.
Nothing just said (above) is of reliance IMO. I'm not being sarcastic or nasty, it's just an observation. I'd have to know more details of the 'facts' just mentioned, and understand the reasons for them being brought up. Saying someone grew up in a poor area and then another says he's lying about it... What's that all about? So what? And saying O'Reilly almost got into a fight with some guy (I guess it's a guy) at a book signing, what's the point of that too? That Frankin person sounds like one of those nit picky type people who wants to cause trouble. Looking up addresses!
Since nothing I say is going to make a difference to you either ....and I'd like to post some examples..... at this point it's the perception of each person and what they want to see in what is being said. One could go on and on 'he said that' and someone else shows it to be incorrect, then a counter to that. It won't stop.
There are facts. And then there are explanation of facts.
Next:
"he wrote a pornographic book"
Why was I not informed?
Where can I get a copy? I love porn.
And NO, I'm not kidding. I'd really like to know more about it.
I somewhat remember that phone call thing. Women get hysterical about minor things. Harassment! That could be any number of things to different people. Anyone can be accused of anything. Trust me, I know. Even if you are right, not everyone will believe it, just because of being accused. Things get blown out of proportion. It's cheaper and easier to compromise than fight, doesn't mean it represents all the facts of what happened. Once someone says something and even if you are proven right there WILL be those who have second thoughts and question it...forever!
On the other side of the coin...... There are still people who think football players don't kill their wifes! People are going to think what they want, twist or omit facts to make things look the way they want.
U C it your way, I C it mine.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 15:15:50 [Permalink]
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beskeptigal hath scriven: quote:
The Daily Show was so funny tonight. Stewart compared scene after scene of Oprah confronting the lying author with the news medias' scene after scene failing to confront the administration's lies on Iraq, etc. It was great!
Very funny, that. And it somewhat shamed me, for starting this thread. ; ) |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 12:11:20 [Permalink]
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HalfMooner, have I not apologized and explained enough that you should no longer feel the need?
Snake, if blatant lies from the mouth of Billy O., recorded on tape or film that have been thoroughly debunked are not enough, then there is nothing that would convince you.
And since I linked to the book on Amazon and you ask where you can get a copy, I draw the conclusion you didn't bother to look at my citations. |
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