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moakley
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 22:52:27 [Permalink]
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| For me, I have just listen to two incredible speeches. A perfect consession speech by John McCain, he said all of the right word and achieved the right tone. And an incredibly inspirational speech by Barack Obama. A powerful speech from the heart about hope and unity. This is the first presidential election to have had such a positive effect on me. I am gaurdedly excited and hopeful. |
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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous |
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astropin
SFN Regular
USA
970 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2008 : 23:00:36 [Permalink]
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| Great Speech by Obama. |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
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chefcrsh
Skeptic Friend
Hong Kong
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 Posted - 11/04/2008 : 23:35:39 [Permalink]
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| How did he give that speech without welling up? |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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 Posted - 11/05/2008 : 00:16:59 [Permalink]
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I almost forgot what it feels like to be on the winning side.
President Obama. How cool is that? |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Zebra
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2008 : 00:21:17 [Permalink]
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I am delighted beyond measure, for many reasons. Imagine - an inspiring, well-spoken, intelligent, & thoughtful person as our president-elect!
I don't think it's too cynical, though, to think that Obama would very likely have lost if not for two unexpected & unique factors over the ~6 weeks before the election: (1) the US economy providentially tanking, and (2) McCain's VP choice turning out to be so blatantly unqualified in a manner which the electorate simply couldn't ignore. See the national trend chart at pollster.com. McCain's #s rise in August & early September, then turn down when the economy does. The Couric interview was ~10 days later, solidifying his downturn. |
I think, you know, freedom means freedom for everyone* -Dick Cheney
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Chippewa
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USA
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2008 : 02:50:08 [Permalink]
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 11/05/2008 : 04:23:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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But Elizabeth Dole now stays in your state, rather than going to DC.
Damn, though, I'm happy, too!
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2008 : 04:33:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by filthy
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But Elisabeth Dole now stays in your state, rather than going to DC.
Damn, though, I'm happy, too!
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No silver lining can exist without it's dark cloud. We're passing the hat to buy Bob Dole a bucket of Viagra in the hope he'll keep Liddy home, out of sight & out of trouble.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 11/05/2008 : 04:39:04 [Permalink]
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| Congratulations, my fellow Americans! You finally have a president that doesn't suck. At least, not so much. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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perrodetokio
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/05/2008 : 05:18:38 [Permalink]
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Are you happy now USA? OF COURSE YOU ARE!
AND SO ARE WE (THE THIRD WORLD)!!!!!
Excellent!
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2008 : 05:20:45 [Permalink]
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| We will see what he can do. I wonder how he will govern, toward the center like he campaigned or on the way left as he has voted in the past? I did like that he was campaigning for the next election already when he said that we cannot get everything done in one term. Kind of lets himself off the hook. |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2008 : 05:35:51 [Permalink]
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What did he vote for that was "way left?" When he voted for immediate withdrawal of the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan?
Or maybe it wasn't a vote that you're talking about. Maybe it was when he stood on the Senate floor and demanded the release of the hundreds of thousands of people in prison who are there largely because they are poor people, and people of color? When he derided Hillary Clinton for working with corporations to try to achieve health care for all instead of working towards a European, or Canadian-style system? When he talked about how he was going to crack down on corporate crime? When he cried out to the House to ask them to begin impeachment proceedings against the criminals in power, and the investigation of the other living President's crimes? When he refused to agree with the bailout of the wealthy? When he said, even though this his election is a significant event in race relations in the U.S. that we still had a long way to go to repair the damage done? When he rejected the idea of turning the Presidential pulpit in to minister's pulpit? When he talked about the damage that so-called capitalism has done to the world/
Which thing did he do to make you think he was far left?
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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 11/05/2008 : 05:38:00 [Permalink]
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My daughter and I were listening to McCain's concession speech. She remarked about how gracious and reasonable a speech it was. I agreed with her that the words were wonderful, but I told her that the contrast between that speech and everything he, Palin, and their surrogates have said and done in the campaign was quite vivid. I asked her why I should believe McCain's graceful words now, if he'd spoken in a diametrically opposite way just hours earlier.
No. McCain spoke the vicious lies the fundies wanted him to speak in order to try to win. Now he says the things he knows he must say to try to rescue his legacy. There is no honor, no honesty, in the man. He is driven only by whatever he thinks is useful from hour to hour. He presided over the most vicious Presidential campaign in my 63 years of life.
Fuck John McCain's legacy, and fuck him, too.
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chefcrsh
Skeptic Friend
Hong Kong
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Posted - 11/05/2008 : 05:44:37 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Zebra |
(2) McCain's VP choice turning out to be so blatantly unqualified in a manner which the electorate simply couldn't ignore.
I would say that was just a symptom of the real number 2 (no pun intended). A very very very poorly run campaign with clearly and significant fractures in his own party.
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