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Rudolfo
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 12:25:52 [Permalink]
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[Rudolfo, the answers to every one of your questions are to be found farther back in the thread.]
No, none of the questions have been answered. No one has attempted to answer even one of them.
But let me make it simpler, just one question, and this is for all the posters.
Why do you believe the people in the picture are walking to a gas chamber?
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Dave W.
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 Posted - 03/26/2010 : 12:32:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
I've seen the posts from Dave W. and Kil, and to my mind they are pure idiocy. Trying to construct some argument by saying the photos are not 'evidence' is ..... beyond comment. |
Typical dodge, with a goalpost shift.
You're the one claiming that the "unknown" photo is being used as proof of the Holocaust. You have yet to provide any evidence that any part of the "Holocaust narrative" relies on that photo, instead simply asserting that it does. That's another one of the strawmen you like to knock over and cry "victory!"
Or, since your argument dances around so much, the answer to whether or not the "unknown" photo truly represents people being led to a gas chamber is: it doesn't matter. That doesn't make it any more a "hoax" or a "fraud" than it would be if it were a drawing.
The fact that you can't grok either one is where your own idiocy shines brightly. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 12:33:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
[Rudolfo, the answers to every one of your questions are to be found farther back in the thread.]
No, none of the questions have been answered. No one has attempted to answer even one of them.
But let me make it simpler, just one question, and this is for all the posters.
Why do you believe the people in the picture are walking to a gas chamber? |
Why do you believe the smiling, healthy kids are Jews? |
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astropin
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 12:40:04 [Permalink]
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Do RATIONAL people ever hold irrational beliefs for rational reasons?
Because I'm not seeing much of here or anywhere else.
We get boat loads of irrational beliefs for irrational reasons.....AND THERE IS LITTLE POINT IN ARGUING WITH THEM. Unless you just think it's good practice? |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
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Fripp
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 13:06:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
I've seen the posts from Dave W. and Kil, and to my mind they are pure idiocy. Trying to construct some argument by saying the photos are not 'evidence' is ..... beyond comment.
I'd like to hear what the other posters have say.
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I say look in the mirror, especially when it comes to idiocy. You yourself have outright said that nothing will change your mind.
Of course we are all just mindless sheep because we don't see your obvious and blinding intellect. |
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Rudolfo
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 13:50:01 [Permalink]
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[Of course we are all just mindless sheep because we don't see your obvious and blinding intellect.]
Well, not one person gave a reason for believing the photo was of people walking to a gas chamber, even after I asked twice. So, I have to conclude that .... what, I don't know what to conclude ...
But I do think you are mindless sheep because the Jewish Virtual Library can post a photo of people walking on a road, and caption it 'The unaware walk to the gas chamber', and for some reason unknown to me you cannot recognize that web site for the degenerate lie that it is.
Instead you cough up dishonest wordplay arguments or evasions like 'it's not evidence', or, it 'doesn't matter', 'an false dichotomy', 'might be true or might not', etc.
So, if this is how you 'evaluate' evidence of the holocaust, nothing matters. No bodies, no matter. Fake gas chamber, no matter. Testimony full of grotesque lies, no matter. Add it all up, and the holocaust happened.
I've discovered two things .....
1. a good litmus test .... the photo of the 'unaware walking to the gas chamber'. I did not realize that anyone would fail to recognize it as an indefensible lie. But, I think we're 4 for 4 on this board, so I was wrong about that.
2. It's preposterous. You believe it. No reason necessary. Faith based skepticism !
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 13:54:51 [Permalink]
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Rudolfo:
No, none of the questions have been answered. No one has attempted to answer even one of them. |
Nonsense. What you did was to cherry pick some photo's and throw your spin on them. We keep pointing out that just because you think they point to a hoax, you haven't provided a shred of evidence as to how they point to a hoax. And that's because neither you nor we no much about the photos. You don't know if the kids are Jews. You don't know if the people are indeed, walking to their deaths, and so on. Since when does a hunch become a certainty in the world of critical thinking? Arm chair speculation is just arm chair speculation. Nothing more.
What's galling you is that we wont lower our standard of evidence for you. And then you have the nerve to say that you are the real skeptic. You obviously don't know dick about critical thinking and logic, which is required for a person to be a "scientific skeptic." But that's not our problem. Just because you doubt something doesn't make you a skeptic. Not if you get there without employing the rules of logic and the tools of critical thinking. Anyone can doubt anything. That's not difficult to do. Doubting yourself is what's hard. So you must test your logic constantly. Does the evidence support your conclusion? Is it really evidence? And if so, of what? And so on. You are satisfied with your hunches. We aren't.
You are a classic conspiracy advocate. You grab at straws and bend them to mean exactly what you want them to mean, no matter how tortured your logic is. We've seen lots of you guys. And it's always the same. Hell, one group of 9/11 conspiracy advocates came here with the plan of delivering to us a "total truth takeover." They ran like rabbits when the questions became too tough for them to handle.
You don't know if the kids in the picture are Jews. Any of them. So you simply refuse to answer the question and call it idiocy to ask. That's you not wanting to face yourself, because once you do that, you might have to question other beliefs that you have.
And you don't want to go there. Better to call our questions and replies idiotic than have to face the possibility that you don't have the answers.
But oh well. This is a skeptic site. If you actually knew anything about skepticism, you should have understood that we would evaluate the evidence that you have presented to see where it lands on the truth scale. To see if it could be reasonably used to validate your, ummmm, hunch. You should have known that we would do that.
Whatever...
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Rudolfo
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 14:02:52 [Permalink]
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[But oh well. We are a skeptic site.]
This has to be a joke. The skeptics here believe what the government tells them. They're skeptical as hell of everything else. Completely the opposite of true skepticism.
The 'skeptics' are skeptical of conspiracy theories. Any one with half a brain can see that the conspiracy theorists are trying to explain something that defies explanation. The 'skeptics' position .... just believe what the government tells you. LOL.
The holocaust is a collection of degenerate lies the likes of which the world has never seen. A fake gas chamber, for crying out loud. And you're not skeptical. A picture of people walking on a road, 'the unaware walking to the gas chamber'. How freaking degenerate can it get? |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 03/26/2010 : 14:18:49 [Permalink]
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Rudolfo:
The skeptics here believe what the government tells them. |
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Fripp
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 14:39:14 [Permalink]
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So what you wanted when you asked "I'd like to hear what the other posters have say" is for us to agree with your viewpoints without question, right?
Again, you're positing yourself as the sole arbiter of truth who cannot be questioned. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 14:50:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
The skeptics here believe what the government tells them. |
Which government is that? The one prefixed by "One World?"| The 'skeptics' are skeptical of conspiracy theories. |
Yes, and you're the one positing a massive conspiracy, as evidenced by this quote from you:| The holocaust is a collection of degenerate lies the likes of which the world has never seen. A fake gas chamber, for crying out loud. And you're not skeptical. |
We are skeptical. Everyone agrees that the museum recreation in Auschwitz is a "fake" gas chamber. You are the one who is saying that someone, somewhere, is offering it as "proof" of the Holocaust, yet you won't supply even a pinch of evidence for your claim. I'm skeptical that anyone with a hint of critical thinking abilities thinks that a museum display is "proof" of something.| A picture of people walking on a road, 'the unaware walking to the gas chamber'. |
Your fixation on that photo is delusional. You expect the narrative to be proof of the narrative.| How freaking degenerate can it get? |
Apparently, you can get so freaking degenerate that you assume (without a shred of evidence) that some smiling, healthy children in a photo are Jewish. |
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Rudolfo
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 14:55:23 [Permalink]
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[So, are you showing your true colors now with the phrase degenerate lies? Isn't the word "lies" sufficient?]
No. The lies of the holocaust are unique. The lies that we expect and are familiar with are heroic lies. Exaggerating ones strength, accomplishments, virtue, heroism. Degenerate lies are unexpected and unfamiliar, they are lies about ones weakness, cowardice, victimization, degeneracy. The fake gas chamber, and the photo caption are examples, I'll give more in the testimony thread, there is no shortage. The holocaust lies are degenerate lies, the likes of which the world has never seen.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 14:59:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
So, if this is how you 'evaluate' evidence of the holocaust, nothing matters. |
So now you're back to claiming that the "unaware" photo (I've been screwing up that nickname this afternoon) is being presented as evidence of the Holocaust?! It's NOT evidence, and nobody is claiming that it is (except you).
That's not dishonest wordplay, it's the truth.You must be joking.| Testimony full of grotesque lies, no matter. |
Since you haven't gotten around to posting your "testimony" thread, your claim that we would say it doesn't matter is a lie.| Add it all up, and the holocaust happened. |
We haven't even gotten to examine any evidence for the Holocaust, because you haven't presented any. Of the real evidence, you said you didn't know about it, and don't know what to think about it.I've discovered two things .....
1. a good litmus test .... the photo of the 'unaware walking to the gas chamber'. I did not realize that anyone would fail to recognize it as an indefensible lie. But, I think we're 4 for 4 on this board, so I was wrong about that. |
That, itself, is an indefensible lie.| 2. It's preposterous. You believe it. No reason necessary. Faith based skepticism ! |
And there's another indefensible lie.
So you're three for three in just this one post. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 15:02:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
The holocaust lies are degenerate lies, the likes of which the world has never seen. |
I think we should keep on discussing your "heroic" lies. Oh, wait! By your definition, a lot of what you've said has been degenerate lies about us. |
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Rudolfo
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 15:03:46 [Permalink]
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[Again, you're positing yourself as the sole arbiter of truth who cannot be questioned.]
I spend the first half of the thread answering Dave W.s idiotic 'questions'. Then I asked him one question, and he refused. Now, I'll answer any reasonable question, but not idiotic questions. And I'll be the judge.
Now, you answered one question, you believe the photo is of people walking to a gas chamber. Now, I have another, why do you believe it? No one has answered this question. I'm not surprised. There is not a single reason in the world to believe such an absurdity. But, here is your chance, prove me wrong. |
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What is the physical evidence for the holocaust?
