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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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 Posted - 01/11/2011 : 21:27:21 [Permalink]
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Besides Factcheck.org, I also use Politifact.com. Politifact is a project associated with the Annenburg project.
I do like their ratings system of True, Mostly True, Half true, barely true, false, and pants-on-fire.
Oddly enough, you can search on personalities themselves. Michele Bachmann has two falses and two pants-on-fire. She has no other categories. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 07:10:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
The free market allows you to do this as well. Your just pissed cause none of this liberal garbage has succeded in the free market and so you scream about wanting fairness. That is like yelling "unfair" at the baseball coach because your teammate hit more home runs than you. Practice your swing, quit crying and maybe you can hit some more homers.
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Your analogy is flawed, because you're not telling that the teammate is hitting more because he's cheating.
Besides Fox being sponsored/operated with a massive right-wing agenda, they are also claiming to be journalists. By doing to, they are misrepresenting themselves as a legitimate source of reliable information and news.
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 07:33:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
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The fact that you refuse to acknowledge any left wing bias in the media anywhere, other than maybe just a dab from MSNBC, is just laughable. |
I suppose it would be laughable if I were doing that.
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Hey kil, I think Bill Scott said this not me. |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
2103 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 07:39:22 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Fripp |
| As we all know, reality has a clearly liberal bias. |
And as a result even the local punk holding up someone with a gun outside the 7/11 can be linked by the "media" to Sarah Palin and her right wing alliance. *sigh*
| Bill, just because the facts contradict your worldview, |
What facts?
| that doesn't mean that reporting those facts shows a left wing bias. FOX makes shit up, and if they repeat it enough times, it becomes fact. And you clowns laps it up like pathetic puppies, because it confirms what you want to think, |
I hardly watch TV let alone camp out at a cable news network. 90%, or more, of my connection to the outside world is on the net.
What fact(s) are you referring to?
| Witness the whole "Obama's trip to India is going to 200 mill a day, blah blah blah". |
I try to pay as little attention to Obama as I can.
| By the way, I love that now - because you've repeated it a couple times - that this guy is a "left wing atheist". Bill, you're simply making shit up. |
Well the story read that those who knew him described him as "left wing pothead" and his ramblings on youtube pretty much confirm his agnostic worldview so I can only go with the facts. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
2103 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 07:49:40 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dave W. |
| Just adding "free market" to what you said the first time doesn't explain how it is censorship. |
Maybe censorship was not the best choice of words. But my point was that this is just more anti-capitalism anti-free market liberal garbage. The liberal progressives have become rather accustomed in the governmental realm to using other people's money to prop up failing entities which they happen to agree with politically and/or philosophically. So now they will even go so far as to try and legislate the propping up of failing entities using other people's money in the free market as well!!! Apparently in the "progressive" world there is no shame in being a propped up and government subsidized entity while the pride and satisfaction of working hard and standing on your own two feet as a self-sustaining entity is just not worth the cost when it can also be done using other people's money. *sigh* This mentality is draining on the free market system and for those who are actually contributing something to the market to see those who only take and do not contribute.
| That has nothing to do with censorship. And you're the one who brought up the term "free market," not me. I'm no fan of squealing "free market!" as if it's a solution to any particular problem. Besides which, the broadcast companies don't compete in a free market to begin with. To make a free-market objection to the Fairness Doctrine, you'll have to first pass laws to eliminate the FCC and all other broadcasting regulation. |
If we are going to live in world where the government legislates "fairness" in the free market by propping up failing entities using other people's money than where does it stop? Can the MAC conference have the government step in and make things "fair" using other people's money because the Big 10 conference has it's own network and the MAC does not? And who decides what is fair and what to prop up using other people's money? Sounds like a slippery slope to a bureaucratic disaster if you ask me. I mean it's not like we have a long list of over bloated under efficient governmental red tape nightmares already. *sigh* Let's just give the government control of "fairness" now. *Oh good grief!*
| NPR gets a whopping 1.5% of its funding from competitive government grants. It hasn't been funded directly by the government for over 20 years. And it provides a free pulpit to conservatives like David Frum, so it's not exactly the bastion of liberalism you would think it is. |
I don't care if it is .1% of the budget and the line up is totally conservative. In today's day and age where we have 100's if not 1000's of media outlets on the airwaves there is no need whatsoever for government sponsored radio.
| This is free-marketeering run amok. Insisting that the ideas for how we run our country's government live or die as the market allows means that only popular ideas will get wide exposure, and popular ideas about how we should govern are not necessarily good ideas. |
Dude there are plenty of ways of sharing ideas on how we run our country apart from talking head shows on evening cable programing who are running for profit shows. We did have a working political system in place before the advent of cable news you do know, right?
| National health care is massively unpopular, but good. |
But we all know that what is "good" is simply in the eye of the beholder. Another liberal attribute. Ramming what is unpopular and unwanted down the throats of the American people and simply washing your hands of it my convincing yourself that the majority is to stupid to know what is best for them and we in the minority do know best and will legislate our genius on to them. *sigh*
| Then he'd be king of the liberal blowhards, wouldn't he? Rush is obviously king of the conservative blowhards, and has the ratings to prove it. Or is Beck overtaking him? |
I fully admit that there plenty of blowhards to go around for all and have never once even hinted otherwise. It's you guys who seem to live in this fantasy bubble that says only conservative leaning media is full of rhetoric while believing the left leaning outlets are walking saints without an ounce of bias in their bones. *sigh*
| I don't know of anyone who is suggesting they should get the blame. They should take some small bit of it for contributing to an environment in which transparently urging violence to meet petty political goals is seen as reasonable, but they didn't cause Loughney's apparent psychoses. |
I fully agree that the Palin phrasing of reload rather than retreat may have not been the best campaign rhetoric to use. But this whole new mentality of digging through the past of any psycho who commits atrocities and then blaming Fox News, Sarah Palin and Glen Beck because the guy may have voted for a republican city councilman 5 years ago is just so silly it's laughable. That's my point. It's equally as silly as blaming all "atheistic left wing potheads" for the atrocities because the descriptions of the psycho came back as him being an atheistic left wing pothead. You know psychotic nut jobs shooting innocent people to bring attention to their crazy manifestos is not a new phenomena with the advent of cable news. Heck, back when Cronkite, Rather and Jennings ruled the airwaves we had psychotic nut jobs shooting innocent people. Heck back before we had pubs and dems we had nut cases shooting innocent people. I predict psychotic shootings long after cable news networks are outdated and just a memory. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
2103 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 08:10:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by Bill scott
The free market allows you to do this as well. Your just pissed cause none of this liberal garbage has succeded in the free market and so you scream about wanting fairness. That is like yelling "unfair" at the baseball coach because your teammate hit more home runs than you. Practice your swing, quit crying and maybe you can hit some more homers.
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Your analogy is flawed, because you're not telling that the teammate is hitting more because he's cheating.
Besides Fox being sponsored/operated with a massive right-wing agenda, they are also claiming to be journalists. By doing to, they are misrepresenting themselves as a legitimate source of reliable information and news.
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Nope, your analogy of mine is flawed. Your confusing "cheating" with "not as good". Fox News is just better than the others and more popular with the folks. Being better and more popular is not cheating. Shoot General Electric has MSNBC's back and look how much money Obama pumped into GE under the guise of the Recovery Act. MSNBC is nothing but a puppet for the white house. George Soros pumps billions into the progressive cause. The playing field is perfectly level for MSNBC they are just not as good or as popular and so rather than just accept this reality the libs scream that this is somehow "unfair" to be the unpopular unsuccessful one. But of course they were not to concerned about "fairness" when Cronkite, Rather and Jennings were ruling the airwaves.
Besides I am not here to defend Fox News but to only point out that if you think the MSNBC's of the world do not operate in the exact same way than you are just in denial of reality. With the white house pumping money into GE and GE floating MSNBC they ARE state sponsored political commentary. Nothing but a puppet for the white house. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 08:43:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Nope, your analogy of mine is flawed. Your confusing "cheating" with "not as good". Fox News is just better than the others and more popular with the folks. Being better and more popular is not cheating. Shoot General Electric has MSNBC's back and look how much money Obama pumped into GE under the guise of the Recovery Act. MSNBC is nothing but a puppet for the white house. George Soros pumps billions into the progressive cause. The playing field is perfectly level for MSNBC they are just not as good or as popular and so rather than just accept this reality the libs scream that this is somehow "unfair" to be the unpopular unsuccessful one. But of course they were not to concerned about "fairness" when Cronkite, Rather and Jennings were ruling the airwaves.
Besides I am not here to defend Fox News but to only point out that if you think the MSNBC's of the world do not operate in the exact same way than you are just in denial of reality. With the white house pumping money into GE and GE floating MSNBC they ARE state sponsored political commentary. Nothing but a puppet for the white house.
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Through all of this, the truth is suffering. No one is interesting in reporting what actually happens, what actually caused it. Your media is just selling you a narrative they belive you'll buy (and which the owners want you to believe).
Reporting according to journalistic principles are forgotten, you have forgotten it, and the media owners are getting fat on seing you buying their crap.
In the meantime, I watch my government sponsored, regulated to be unbiased, news reporting and I see the world going to hell because Americans choose to believe in their own fairytale that free-market economy is King.
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
2103 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 08:48:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Then I must ask; why is it that there are such a low percentage of atheists in prison?
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Well the short answer is that you hold a low percentage of the general population as well. But to expand a little further and with my limited time here I'm just going to guess and say a big number of men go into prison as agnostics and/or atheist and while in prison come to some kind of faith in a creator God. The hopelessness that is offered by the atheistic worldview is only compounded by the hopelessness of a life prison sentence which drives many inmates to their knees in repentance. Some of the biggest smiles of joy I have ever seen have come from prison ministry worship services. Who else but the living God and his message of eternal life payed for through his grace can bring hope and joy to those who's agnostic worldviews have offered them no hope and this was only compounded by their lack of hope and future in this life as well? The rich man cannot buy it and the good man cannot earn it. Only the Good News of God's grace can be good news to all men. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
2103 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:14:53 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse |
| Through all of this, the truth is suffering. No one is interesting in reporting what actually happens, what actually caused it. Your media is just selling you a narrative they belive you'll buy (and which the owners want you to believe). |
For the most part agreed. My point has been that if you think this is limited to right wing leaning outlets only than you are just as fooled as the right wingers are by Fox news.
| Reporting according to journalistic principles are forgotten, you have forgotten it, and the media owners are getting fat on seing you buying their crap. |
Yes and no. I don't buy their crap. I seldom watch tv but when I do my favorites are animal planet and ESPN. Fox ain't making a dime off of this conservative leaning American.
| In the meantime, I watch my government sponsored, regulated to be unbiased, news reporting |
An oxymoron to end all oxymoron's.
| and I see the world going to hell because Americans choose to believe in their own fairytale that free-market economy is King. |
Well the free market economy is king. That is just a fact that is undisputed by reality. Is it perfect? No, but name one that is. And dude while not perfect without America you'd probably being speaking German right now. Your welcome. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Ebone4rock
SFN Regular
USA
894 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:15:43 [Permalink]
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originally posted by Bill scott
The hopelessness that is offered by the atheistic worldview is only compounded by the hopelessness of a life prison sentence which drives many inmates to their knees in repentance. |
Please explain why an atheistic worldview is considered "hopeless". The majority of posters here have an atheistic worldview and from my dealings with them "hopeless" would be the opposite of how I would describe them. I am also far from "hopeless". |
Haole with heart, thats all I'll ever be. I'm not a part of the North Shore society. Stuck on the shoulder, that's where you'll find me. Digging for scraps with the kooks in line. -Offspring |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:26:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by Kil
Robb:
The fact that you refuse to acknowledge any left wing bias in the media anywhere, other than maybe just a dab from MSNBC, is just laughable. |
I suppose it would be laughable if I were doing that.
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Hey kil, I think Bill Scott said this not me.
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Oh yeah. It was. Sorry about that. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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podcat
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:36:30 [Permalink]
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“In a modern...society, everybody has the absolute right to believe whatever they damn well please, but they don't have the same right to be taken seriously”.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:37:53 [Permalink]
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Bill:
MSNBC is nothing but a puppet for the white house. |
Oh yeah. They have 3 liberal shows on a day. And the hosts on those shows have been very critical of Obama. Most recently it was about his deal on the tax issue. They were extremely critical of that. Why would they attack Obama if they were a puppet for the white house? They also start the day with Morning Joe, hosted by a Republican. Most of the day is pretty much center and the liberal shows aren't on at all on the weekend. Compare that to Fox. Oh, and I should mention that there are hosts on Fox that actually sponsored political rallies.
Also, your contention that Fox is just better is silly unless you mean better at lying and propaganda. As I said, conservatives seem to be attracted to fear mongering. Many do anyhow. Facts are easy to check. Fox has an awful record in that department.
Ratings do not equal accuracy in reporting. Ratings are a gage popularity. It doesn't matter to me that Fox has higher ratings. What matters to me are the facts that they are reporting. If you, Bill think ratings are an indicator of how much they should be trusted... Well, why am I telling you this? They say what people like you want to hear. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
2103 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:53:31 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Ebone4rock |
| Please explain why an atheistic worldview is considered "hopeless". |
It's a meaningless worldview, which hopelessness follows meaningless like night follows day.
| The majority of posters here have an atheistic worldview and from my dealings with them "hopeless" would be the opposite of how I would describe them. I am also far from "hopeless". |
You can cling to a hopeless worldview and not even realize it.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
2103 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:57:39 [Permalink]
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Yeah. They have 3 liberal shows on a day. They also start the day with Morning Joe, a republican. Most of the day is pretty much center and the liberal shows aren't on at all on the weekend. Compare that to Fox. Oh, and I should mention that there are hosts on Fox that actually sponsored political rallies.
Also, your contention that Fox is just better is silly unless you mean better at lying and propaganda. Facts are easy to check. Fox has an awful record in that department. |
As if Keith Olberman donating money to a party is no sign of bias?!?!?!Again, your just trying to split hairs between the lessor of two evils. GE owns MSNBC while at the same time GE recieved monies from Obama in the form of the Recovory Act. Clearly MSNBC is nothing but a puppet for the white house. If you want to point to the fact that they play good prison shows on the weekend as evidence that they are not biased than knock yourself out but this dog ain't buying it. To claim one is biased while the other is somehow unbiased just shows you are as snookered as those you loath for watching FOX. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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