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Kil
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  12:28:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  12:43:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumtopf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It looks like fill in the blank and yes or no questions are too hard for kil to understand. Poor guy.

But maybe he has the brain power to understand true or false questions. Let's find out.

Kil, for the sixth time:

Five Very Simple Investigatory Questions About Caroline Sturdy Colls Suspiciously Vague Archaeological “Investigation” at Treblinka II

(Legitimate scientists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries.)

# 1 - Is it known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at - Treblinka II - there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been - physically unearthed / tangibly located - by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? - Yes. - or - No. __?__

Kil's answer - Kil doesn't understand yes or no questions.

# 2 - At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

Kil's answer - Kil doesn't understand fill in the blank questions.

# 3 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans - during their time of occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Kil's answer - __?__

# 4 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Kil's answer - __?__

# 5 - Is it true or false that, extraneous cremation remains have been deposited at - Treblinka II - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Kil's answer - __?__

* * * * *

It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.

Do you deny the above irrefutable fact? Yes. - or - No. __?__

Kil's answer - Kil doesn't understand yes or no questions.
Edited by - Rumtopf on 01/20/2014 11:50:24
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  13:02:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumtopf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dave W:

He's further trying to explain away what has been found as latrine or garbage pits used by the Nazis and/or as trenches dug by thieves after the war, and he's also suggesting that any cremains found might have been deposited after the occupation.



# 1 - Is it known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at - Treblinka II - there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been - physically unearthed / tangibly located - by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? - Yes. - or - No. __?__

Dave W's answer - No.

# 2 - At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

Dave W's answer - ZERO.

# 3 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans - during their time of occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Dave W's answer - __?__

# 4 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Dave W's answer - __?__

# 5 - Is it true or false that, extraneous cremation remains have been deposited at - Treblinka II - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Dave W's answer - __?__

* * * * *

It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.

Do you deny the above irrefutable fact? Yes. - or - No. __?__

Dave W's answer - No.

* * * * *

Dave W:

Besides, if I answer Greg Gerdes, I can get $70,000


Then what are you waiting for Dave?

What are you so afraid of?
Edited by - Rumtopf on 01/19/2014 14:45:05
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  13:55:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil

This is a funny place to look for that answer, don't you think? Gosh. If it were me, I'd be asking the people who actually do the research on whatever the subject is.
Like Caroline Sturdy Colls.
I'd be looking at what they have to say on the subject.
I guess Rumtopf is too lazy to go find a Polish translator.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  13:57:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is a grave still a grave after the body has been removed?

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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  14:45:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumtopf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dave W:

He's further trying to explain away what has been found as latrine or garbage pits used by the Nazis and/or as trenches dug by thieves after the war, and he's also suggesting that any cremains found might have been deposited after the occupation.



# 1 - Is it known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at - Treblinka II - there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been - physically unearthed / tangibly located - by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? - Yes. - or - No. __?__

Dave W's answer - No.

# 2 - At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

Dave W's answer - ZERO.

# 3 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans - during their time of occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Dave W's answer - __?__

# 4 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Dave W's answer - __?__

# 5 - Is it true or false that, extraneous cremation remains have been deposited at - Treblinka II - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Dave W's answer - __?__

* * * * *

It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.

Do you deny the above irrefutable fact? Yes. - or - No. __?__

Dave W's answer - No.

* * * * *

Dave W:

Besides, if I answer Greg Gerdes, I can get $70,000


Then what are you waiting for Dave?

What are you so afraid of?
Edited by - Rumtopf on 01/19/2014 19:35:40
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Kil
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  17:00:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  18:45:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumtopf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Uncovering mass graves of Holocaust horrors at Nazi death camp... MURDERERS always leave a trace of their crimes. Yet for more than 60 years, the physical evidence of mass graves at a former Nazi concentration camp lay undiscovered... Now Caroline Sturdy Colls, a forensic archaeologist and Staffordshire University lecturer, has built up the first scientific picture of what lies beneath the ground at Treblinka in Poland. Caroline, aged 26, pictured below, said: "I had started to do research into cold cases, looking at how to use modern techniques to solve murder cases. Treblinka was the ultimate cold case... My work was trying to question what 'destroyed' really means. You are always going to leave some kind of trace... Cremation doesn't completely reduce a body to ashes... But we correlated the findings with witness accounts and also overlaid the data onto aerial photographs. That's how we worked out they were mass graves... Some pits were 34 metres long...


http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Uncovering-mass-graves-Holocaust-horrors-Nazi/story-15342226-detail/story.html

Edited by - Rumtopf on 01/20/2014 11:07:17
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  19:20:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumtopf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Any doubts about the existence of mass graves at the Treblinka death camp in Poland are being laid to rest by the first survey of the site using tools that see below the ground, writes forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls.


http://www.vietnambreakingnews.com/2012/01/treblinka-revealing-the-hidden-graves-of-the-holocaust/#.UtyHc7SUvDc

Edited by - Rumtopf on 01/19/2014 21:14:39
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  19:25:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumtopf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A British forensic archaeologist has unearthed fresh evidence to prove the existence of mass graves at the Nazi death camp Treblinka - scuppering the claims of Holocaust deniers who say it was merely a transit camp... Sturdy Colls said: 'All the history books state that Treblinka was destroyed by the Nazis but the survey has demonstrated that simply isn’t the case. 'I’ve identified a number of buried pits using geophysical techniques. These are considerable in size, and very deep, one in particular is 26 by 17 metres.'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087735/British-archaeologist-discovers-fresh-evidence-mass-graves-World-War-Two-death-camp-Treblinka.html#ixzz1jk2tyX2D

Edited by - Rumtopf on 01/20/2014 11:11:03
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  19:32:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
More mass-media hyperbole. Why not quote Sturdy Colls directly? Oh, right, you haven't actually read what she's written.

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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  19:36:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumtopf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Dave, look at the posts above the one you just posted.

Edited by - Rumtopf on 01/19/2014 21:08:23
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  19:53:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumtopf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Charles: There are quite a few pits that you have discovered?

Sturdy Colls: Absolutely, there were a number of pits, in particular to the rear of what of what is now the current memorial, five that are actually in a row, again of a considerable size, in an area where witnesses state this was the main body disposal area, this is behind the gas chambers, it was where the majority of victims who were sent there were then subsequently buried, and later where the cremative remains of the victims were also placed.

http://revblog.codoh.com/2012/01/comment-sturdy-colls/

Edited by - Rumtopf on 01/20/2014 11:17:18
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  20:00:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumtopf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
interviewer: And what have you discovered?

Sturdy Colls: ...We’ve also identified a number of pits at the site. Again, all these pits have been mapped and corroborated with witness plans and this is indicative of a number of probable graves at the site. It is recognised as part of the survey that the history of Treblinka didn’t end with its abandonment by the Nazis. Issues such as post-war looting and the construction of the memorial itself and a number of other forms of landscape change that have taken place at the site, you know, could confuse interpretation so it was essential that all of these were considered when the results from the geophysical survey in particular were being assessed. So then all of this data was married up with historical information so we seem to have a situation here where it’s been commonly believed that all of the victims at Treblinka were cremated, they were destroyed without trace, however, the research has revealed a much more complex picture of the disposal patterns used by the Nazis. Looking at it from an offender profiling perspective, so a slightly more forensic point of view, the Nazis worked on, as do most offenders, this principle of least effort where they would actually have a burial method that very much matched the nature of their victims or their locations within the camp and there are a number of photographs and physical evidence that we observed on the ground at Treblinka that demonstrates that these bodies were not reduced to ash, that some survive as mass graves in the truest sense and that also the ashes of the victims were redeposited into the pits that they were originally exhumed from...

http://revblog.codoh.com/2012/01/comment-sturdy-colls/


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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  21:12:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rumtopf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dave W:

He's further trying to explain away what has been found as latrine or garbage pits used by the Nazis and/or as trenches dug by thieves after the war, and he's also suggesting that any cremains found might have been deposited after the occupation.



# 1 - Is it known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at - Treblinka II - there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been - physically unearthed / tangibly located - by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? - Yes. - or - No. __?__

Dave W's answer - No.

# 2 - At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

Dave W's answer - ZERO.

# 3 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans - during their time of occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Dave W's answer - __?__

# 4 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Dave W's answer - __?__

# 5 - Is it true or false that, extraneous cremation remains have been deposited at - Treblinka II - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__

Dave W's answer - __?__

* * * * *

It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.

Do you deny the above irrefutable fact? Yes. - or - No. __?__

Dave W's answer - No.

* * * * *

Dave W:

Besides, if I answer Greg Gerdes, I can get $70,000


Then what are you waiting for Dave?

What are you so afraid of?
Edited by - Rumtopf on 01/20/2014 11:30:29
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