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Dude
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Once again, idiocy prevails in the Vatican.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18059554/
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The Pope also says the Darwinist theory of evolution is not completely provable because mutations over hundreds of thousands of years cannot be reproduced in a laboratory.
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What a pathetic bit of illogic.
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marfknox
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 17:20:16 [Permalink]
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| I think the highest authorities in the Catholic Church have given up expanding their membership among educated people or helping people, and are instead determined to get back to the bad old days of dictating morality to impoverished and uneducated masses in the third world. Any social progress they might have made in the 60's has ceased and now they are moving backwards. |
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GeeMack
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 18:22:01 [Permalink]
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The Pope also says the Darwinist theory of evolution is not completely provable because mutations over hundreds of thousands of years cannot be reproduced in a laboratory.
Well, Benny, your holeyness, I'm afraid you're wrong. All we need is a very large lab filled with living things in a variety of habitats, the Earth will do nicely, and a few hundred thousand years.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 18:27:24 [Permalink]
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Ah, it's the same old crap. People of faith so insecure about their woo-woo beliefs that they're reduced to pretending that everything is predicated on faith, and that any belief taken on faith is exactly as merit worthy as any other.
See this thread to witness the same tactic employed.
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dglas
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 18:46:12 [Permalink]
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Quoth God's rottweiller (yet again):
ARF-ARF-ARF-ARF-ARF!
The last couple of Popes have been most excellent proponents of us non-religious sorts. I could not imagine a campaign more capable of discrediting them than their own...
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Ricky
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filthy
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 Posted - 04/11/2007 : 19:27:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
You have to admit, that isn't the worst argument against evolution. It's not like he said evolution can't be true because there are no half-monkey half-humans running around. And at least what he said was true, we can't observe evolution over long periods of time. Then again, we can't observe anything over long periods of time, given that we've only known how to write for 7000 or so years.
Just saying he could have done much worse...
The jury's still out on that.... 
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Dude
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 19:34:32 [Permalink]
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ricky said:
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You have to admit, that isn't the worst argument against evolution. It's not like he said evolution can't be true because there are no half-monkey half-humans running around. And at least what he said was true, we can't observe evolution over long periods of time. Then again, we can't observe anything over long periods of time, given that we've only known how to write for 7000 or so years.
Actually, we can look back hundreds of thousands of years to millions of years. The record is anything but complete, but we do have things like fossils and ice cores that extend our perceptions back quite a long way in the history of the earth.
I would argue that we can, have, and will continue to observe evolution over very long periods of time.
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Hawks
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 19:41:03 [Permalink]
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| Yes, creationists and IDists are overly fond of requiring direct observation of everything. Anything else is faith according to them. |
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Trish
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 21:48:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hawks
Yes, creationists and IDists are overly fond of requiring direct observation of everything. Anything else is faith according to them.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 21:50:22 [Permalink]
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So the Pope is taking a position supposedly midway between Creationism and ID on one hand, and evolution on the other?
Now I know what the term, "Papal Bull" means.
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 04:04:12 [Permalink]
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I guess those Popes just can't make up their minds. quote:
Arguments for and against Darwin's theory came from Roman Catholic theologians as well.
Gradually, well into the 20th century, evolution by natural selection came to be accepted by the majority of Christian writers. Pope Pius XII in his encyclical Humani generis (1950; “Of the Human Race”) acknowledged that biological evolution was compatible with the Christian faith, although he argued that God's intervention was necessary for the creation of the human soul. Pope John Paul II, in an address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on October 22, 1996, deplored interpreting the Bible's texts as scientific statements rather than religious teachings, adding:
New scientific knowledge has led us to realize that the theory of evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.
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Chippewa
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 12:56:57 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
... It's not like he said evolution can't be true because there are no half-monkey half-humans running around...
Are you sure about that?  |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 13:52:01 [Permalink]
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To be fair, the line after the one Dude quoted is this:But Benedict, whose remarks were published on Wednesday in Germany in the book “Schoepfung und Evolution” (Creation and Evolution), praised scientific progress and did not endorse creationist or “intelligent design” views about life's origins. But that may just be because the Pope's trying out a new "big tent." Hard to say so early. |
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Dude
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 15:55:17 [Permalink]
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I included the link to the article. And his not supporting ID has nothing to do with his comments about evolution.
As for our ability to look back in time and observe evolution, here is another example.
Click here.
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skeptic griggsy
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 11:43:14 [Permalink]
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| The Pope ignores that evolution is empirically based and that natural selection is the anti-chance agency.Theisitc evolution is just obfuscation. |
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The Pope don't like Darwin!
