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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 07/01/2007 : 15:26:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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No Jerome, they are working towards the same goal.
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What goal?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/01/2007 : 20:56:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Ricky
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No Jerome, they are working towards the same goal.
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What goal?
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In the context of his statement, we are discussing tobacco companies and drug dealers.
Page 2 of this thread, Ricky clearly states
Conspiracy: Attempt to get people hooked on substances so they have no choice but to buy more.
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This is pretty clear.
Now, if you're trying to change the subject yet again to the disparate groups that Kennedy was alluding to (although you contend he must be talking about a single secret society even though his words clearly imply multiple secret societies), I thought I made it pretty clear that he was referring to a conspiracy to alter or destroy the American way of life. |
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Posted - 07/01/2007 : 21:01:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Valiant Dancer, he defines the threat as a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy. This would be singular. When he mentioned secret societies in the plural he was talking about Americas natural opposition to all such entities, hence the use of the plural.
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I am not changing the topic.
Monolithic is a singular-
This is his word!
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 07/01/2007 : 21:03:26 [Permalink]
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Monolithic: constituting a massive undifferentiated and often rigid whole
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/02/2007 : 19:56:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Valiant Dancer, he defines the threat as a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy. This would be singular. When he mentioned secret societies in the plural he was talking about Americas natural opposition to all such entities, hence the use of the plural.
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I am not changing the topic.
Monolithic is a singular-
This is his word!
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So, you insist that I throw out the context of the entire rest of his speech for your one word.
And one you have chosen a single definition for instead of this one.
Monolithic: (adj) 5. characterized by massiveness, total uniformity, rigidity, invulnerability, etc.: a monolithic society.
Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006
Here we see monolithic as meaning massiveness, which in the context of the speech is more likely the definition he was using.
Try again? |
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Posted - 07/02/2007 : 20:01:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Valiant Dancer, he defines the threat as a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy. This would be singular. When he mentioned secret societies in the plural he was talking about Americas natural opposition to all such entities, hence the use of the plural.
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I am not changing the topic.
Monolithic is a singular-
This is his word!
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So, you insist that I throw out the context of the entire rest of his speech for your one word.
And one you have chosen a single definition for instead of this one.
Monolithic: (adj) 5. characterized by massiveness, total uniformity, rigidity, invulnerability, etc.: a monolithic society.
Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006
Here we see monolithic as meaning massiveness, which in the context of the speech is more likely the definition he was using.
Try again?
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Total uniformity is not the mafia , business, and communism. Your own definition shows my assessment correct.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 13:59:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Valiant Dancer, he defines the threat as a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy. This would be singular. When he mentioned secret societies in the plural he was talking about Americas natural opposition to all such entities, hence the use of the plural.
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I am not changing the topic.
Monolithic is a singular-
This is his word!
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So, you insist that I throw out the context of the entire rest of his speech for your one word.
And one you have chosen a single definition for instead of this one.
Monolithic: (adj) 5. characterized by massiveness, total uniformity, rigidity, invulnerability, etc.: a monolithic society.
Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006
Here we see monolithic as meaning massiveness, which in the context of the speech is more likely the definition he was using.
Try again?
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Total uniformity is not the mafia , business, and communism. Your own definition shows my assessment correct.
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No, it doesn't.
Try reading for context. |
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 18:57:05 [Permalink]
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Monolithic: (adj) 5. characterized by massiveness, total uniformity, rigidity, invulnerability, etc.
Looks like the context is a singular purpose.
Could the mafia, communism, and business be described as having total uniformity together?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 19:06:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Monolithic: (adj) 5. characterized by massiveness, total uniformity, rigidity, invulnerability, etc.
Looks like the context is a singular purpose.
Could the mafia, communism, and business be described as having total uniformity together?
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Again, you have ignored the context in which the word exists in the speech and ignored the dual context of the definition. I have not, in this case, claimed that the dictionary is wrong, merely that your insistence that it must be a singular purpose is incorrect based on the definition. |
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 19:31:43 [Permalink]
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He said monolithic conspiracy. Both are singular and both are presented as singular. Monolithic is the descriptor of the conspiracy; this denotes that he is reiterating the fact that he is speaking of a singular.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 22:58:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
He said monolithic conspiracy. Both are singular and both are presented as singular. Monolithic is the descriptor of the conspiracy; this denotes that he is reiterating the fact that he is speaking of a singular.
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Fine, whatever. You obviously need to win, so fine.
Although you have shown exactly zero comprehension of context, you obviously need to win this one point. You're still wrong, but fine.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 00:37:44 [Permalink]
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I am not trying to "win". Your questions and statements caused me to think, thanks!
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 00:49:06 [Permalink]
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I think Jerome has invented a new logical fallacy:
Argumentum ad dictionarium
When one uses an inappropriate definition of a word to argue against a point. This fallacy is akin to the straw-man fallacy, the differentiating factor is the citation of a dictionary to support the out-of-context definition being argued against.
Good job Jerome, as if the world wasn't filled with enough stupidity already.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 00:59:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
I think Jerome has invented a new logical fallacy:
Argumentum ad dictionarium
When one uses an inappropriate definition of a word to argue against a point. This fallacy is akin to the straw-man fallacy, the differentiating factor is the citation of a dictionary to support the out-of-context definition being argued against.
Good job Jerome, as if the world wasn't filled with enough stupidity already.
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Hey, thanks for the insult.
There already exists the logical fallacy you describe: Equivocation
Did you listen to the speech?
What are the correct definitions of these words?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Kennedy examines the conspiracy
