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Trish
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 Posted - 04/30/2002 : 10:59:55 [Permalink]
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Well I am certainly incapable of refuting this sort of ironclad logic without resorting to immaturity.
Thus, the problem with apologetics. See, apologetics is an extremely twisted way to view the world, simply because everything has to be twisted to make sense. And if ya twist something one way so it isn't as bad, well ya might hafta twist somethin' some other way so it isn't as bad and never mind that at that point what ya said in point one doesn't match what ya said in point two, ya can always twist the two points again ta make them mean the same thing. And, well, seems he doesn't realize that the one making the 'positive' claim, i.e., the existence of a supernatural being - namely Gawd, means he's the one that has ta prove it.
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Night Spawn
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USA
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Posted - 04/30/2002 : 11:55:39 [Permalink]
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This isn't a debate on proving the existence of God. What is wrong with the people here? Immaturity is what you call logic lol.
Trish, as I've said to the other people whom don't make sense, point out what I've twisted, please. Thanks
If you say that I have twisted something to my favor, then others here have twisted the same thing to their favor. That's kinda closed-minded to put the blame on one person for taking the scripture a certian way, while others take it their way. And the funny thing is: I believe in the scripture and they don't. I get rude replies when I say God has spoken to me about certain scriptures...why? If people don't believe me, then why reply with rudeness and pointless stuff? What does it gain?
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@tomic
Administrator
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Posted - 04/30/2002 : 12:07:41 [Permalink]
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If you say that I have twisted something to my favor, then others here have twisted the same thing to their favor.
How illogical is that??!! LOL
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Night Spawn
New Member
USA
37 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2002 : 12:09:27 [Permalink]
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Goodbye to this board. As I said before(yet got ridiculed for), Thanks for opening my mind up concerning my religion.
Regardless of what you think about me or what you type about me, you will all be in my prayers and your posts will be in my thoughts.
Much Love,
Timothy
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Blair Nekkid
New Member
Canada
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Posted - 04/30/2002 : 12:48:31 [Permalink]
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And for those of you joining the game late, the score at the end of the first half is
Lions:3 Christians:0
Cheers,
Blair
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LordofEntropy
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2002 : 14:01:23 [Permalink]
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No really, please don't pray for me.
If God did exist, I'd be going straight to Hell, cause I'm having too much fun being human and I'm not going to say I'm sorry for it.
If your praying somehow helped and I ended up in heaven(which would be yet another inconsistency), I would take the opportunity to give God the middle finger and tell her to blow me.
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Badger
Skeptic Friend
Canada
257 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2002 : 22:10:05 [Permalink]
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Nightspawn! Nighspawn! Are you still there?
Geez, I get goats dying on my, post holes to dig, a bunch of other stuff around the farm to do, and I miss a good target.
Anyway, if you are out there, just thought you might like to know that your thought process facinates me! I honestly don't understand how you can reconcile your own process of "interpreting" the scriptures and your Dr Craig and whoever else's interpretations of it, yet require strict verbatim definition of what we here on the skeptic board say.
Facinating. Totally. And I'm too late to partake.
Well, Nightspawn, best of luck in your quest. You'll need it.
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2002 : 10:56:37 [Permalink]
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You missed a good one. He's the first to claim that god actually talked to him. Although on some level he must have realized that it was a fantasy because of his balking when Ph.D. tried to nudge him into supplying proof.
The entire idea of logic was beyond him, must have been his fist time outside of Fundi circles.
But...sigh...he's gone, and it's probably my fault. Sorry Badger, we'll E-mail you when the next one shows up.
It was fun while it lasted though.
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PhDreamer
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Posted - 05/01/2002 : 12:23:58 [Permalink]
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You missed a good one. He's the first to claim that god actually talked to him. Although on some level he must have realized that it was a fantasy because of his balking when Ph.D. tried to nudge him into supplying proof.
The entire idea of logic was beyond him, must have been his fist time outside of Fundi circles.
But...sigh...he's gone, and it's probably my fault. Sorry Badger, we'll E-mail you when the next one shows up.
It was fun while it lasted though.
I think what we saw, Slater, was a brilliant display of 'behavioral dissonance.' It's sorta like cognitive dissonance, except instead of changing his beliefs to match his behavior, he did the opposite. He had convinced himself that he had enough of a logical foundation to sustain his arguments against our objections, but when he found out he couldn't sustain his arguments, he had to resort to emotionalism and testimonials and simply lying about what discourse had already occurred. I'm sure you have seen this before. It's the maddeningly typical theist debating technique.
Anyway I, for one, am glad you confounded him. You exposed his agenda much quicker than I would have been able to.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2002 : 12:57:21 [Permalink]
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Trish, as I've said to the other people whom don't make sense, point out what I've twisted, please. Thanks
Just in case. I only made comments regarding apologetics - not you.
PhD
See my explanation of apologetics. It does make the brain hurt.
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2002 : 13:36:05 [Permalink]
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See my explanation of apologetics. It does make the brain hurt.
Seems to me the whole practice of apologetics walks right into the middle of the "why did God make his doctrines so hard to understand?" objection.
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2002 : 14:58:20 [Permalink]
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It's the maddeningly typical theist debating technique.
Did you read the debate he gave a link for on page 1? This Dr Craig argues the side that it is not inconsistent for a loving god to damn people to hell for eternity. And the way he does it is by redefineing hell.
The guy he is debateing says that he makes it sound as if god is sending sinners to Hawaii.
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
1668 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2002 : 15:09:18 [Permalink]
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And also by the way, I made an A on my research paper. You can't imagine my surprise when I get it back and see what the teacher had written:
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Just as I thought. Jesus was a figurehead.
Sorry I didn't mention this before, but congratulations. A bold move well done.
Is there any way you can share this grade A paper with us?
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2002 : 15:22:34 [Permalink]
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Hey yeah! We could even publish it here if you're interested.
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Badger
Skeptic Friend
Canada
257 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2002 : 15:50:58 [Permalink]
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I was just wondering what made Nightspawn tick. He mentioned something about the last 3 months, and I wondered what it was. What does it take to think this way?
I really don't understand the thought process, and as there are more of them than us, I figure the more one knows about 'em the better.
And congratulations, Tokyo, on your paper! I vote that you share it with us too!
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