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welshdean
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 06/17/2003 : 08:40:01 [Permalink]
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Ok, we'll try it one more time.
I am hetero, I have NO sexual deviances, ergo I am not a paedophile, either in fact or potentially.
I have NEVER heard of a STRAIGHT male picking up little boys, I have heard about homo males picking up little boys, ergo homosexuals are either paedophiles or potential paedophiles.
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Cold in here
New Member
Canada
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Posted - 06/17/2003 : 08:59:52 [Permalink]
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| Wow welsh, you're thick skulled and rather ignorent. In toronto we are having a scare because an OLDER HETEROSEXUAL MAN is raping LITTLE GIRLS from one of torontos neighbourhoods. I somehow don't see how having sex with a little girl (paedophiliac) makes him homosexual, since he actually has not raped any boys from the neighbourhood. It is certainly interesting that you attribute other sexual crimes to being homosexual. |
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 09:25:19 [Permalink]
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We had another thread on this forum about this subject and it was made rather clear there that paedophiles are not just homosexuals that prefer young bottom. Paedophiles don't seem to care what sex the child is. I would look into this subject more before going off of "gut" instinct.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5311 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 09:28:52 [Permalink]
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Welshdean, you have no sexual deviations because you decide what a deviation is.
Imposing your irrational ideas on others is not a trait that I would use to describe someone who is either skeptical or freethinking. |
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Cold in here
New Member
Canada
48 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 09:57:45 [Permalink]
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| Are you a doctor by any chance welsh? Because if you are, I would be highly inclined to submit your licence to the Medical College for revision; not only are there no recognised links between pedophilia and homosexuality, but there are actually more cases of men seeking young girls, rather than your suggested homosexuals seeking little boys to rampage. Actually, I'm homosexual myself and am rather disgusted at the idea of raping anyone, let alone a child. I'm glad to see that modern society is still breeding people to find me an atrocity and a mental health patient whose deviant sexuality should be punished. It's really very comforting to know that human rights have taken us this far. I'm all warm and fuzzy on the inside, knowing that i'll be blamed automatically for the next raping of a young boy. Well, on that note I think I've heard enough from the homophobes of the world. I'm going to live my life as I always have, being true to myself, my Country, my Queen, and my God. Laugh and scoff as you might, I'm probably a lot happier than either you or slater ever will be. And when it comes down to it, happiness is what's important. So i'm going to stop wasting away in front of this infernal machine, and go do some gardening...oh how gay of me, maybe i'll work on my '67 E-Type instead...I do enjoy mechanics as well, even though I'm gay (how disgusting, eh?). |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5311 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 10:50:16 [Permalink]
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| Well, don't go and leave me to deal with them. |
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The dog has not been fed in years
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 15:03:11 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by welshdean
Homosexuality is a disgusting practice, in fact, I find ALL anal sex disgusting! The simple fact that another person would wish to insert their penis into the EXIT (note exit, not entrance) of anothers digestive passageway is indicative of deviance.
Being attractive to the same sex doesn't always mean one is going to be physical with them. I don't happen to belive in love but those that do might say, love is carring for someone not just having sex with them.
However, you think that's disgusting, what about women? Their bodies are far more disgusting and ulgy. The thought of touching one is totaly repuslive to me. |
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
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Posted - 06/17/2003 : 16:56:05 [Permalink]
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As for the point briefly raised by Gezzam "One of my close friends..came out not long ago..and hope to adopt a child." really puts the willies up me!!
I can tell you one thing honestly, they would care and provide for the child a hell of a lot better than some of the hetrosexual parents in this world.
Parents that take their children to the pub while they get pissed.
Parents that smack and shake their children till they get brain damage.
Parents that put cigarettes out on their kids.
Parents that do not give a fuck about their childs education.
My friend and his partner, though not a man and woman, would give an unwanted child a better chance in life than if he was in some politically correct abusive family who prefer to get stoned, drink cheap bourbon and watch television instead of taking care of a childs future.
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Homosexuality is a disgusting practice, in fact, I find ALL anal sex disgusting! The simple fact that another person would wish to insert their penis into the EXIT (note exit, not entrance) of anothers digestive passageway is indicative of deviance.
I could be wrong here, but don't the greeks have anal sex before marriage to preserve the womans virginity??? |
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 06/17/2003 : 17:20:45 [Permalink]
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I have to say that I find all the bigotry disguised as common sense to be the most disturbing thing in this topic. A person's opinion on what is deviant is just that...an opinion. Laws can be and are passed where certain acts are made illegal but that sure as hell doesn't make them just.
And before passing judgement on a person's validity as a parent I would think a moment about what it takes to be a good parent. How many heterosexuals have sex in front of their children? Any takers? Maybe an occassional kissy? To me all that counts is providing a good home and teaching them how to be good people. I would think sexual preference has nothing to do with any of that.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 06/17/2003 : 19:41:07 [Permalink]
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welshdean wrote:quote:
The simple fact that another person would wish to insert their penis into the EXIT (note exit, not entrance) of anothers digestive passageway is indicative of deviance.
And the reason why a desire to insert one's penis into the entrance of another person's digestive tract is not deviant is what, precisely? Heck, the penis is an exit for waste. Why is it okay to insert a waste-delivery tube into a woman's reproductive tract? I submit to you that there are zero macroscopic holes in a human's skin (male or female) which aren't, at some point in time, used to eject something which the body doesn't want around. The fact that the anus is entirely an exit by design is simply a matter of degree, and not a wholesale difference from any other orifice. Heck, sweat glands are entirely exits, but I think I can safely assume you're quite willing to rub up against those belonging to a woman.
Oops. I take back that earlier submission. Milk ducts aren't ever used for waste delivery, but they're still exit-only.
And speaking of waste, I know that at least a few gay men douche. Yes, some of them also find the "waste" idea not the most pleasant thing in the world.
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Slaters (and my own) opinions are as valid as any others on these boards, wasting four pages of this thread berating Slater is both unfair and deeply unsceptical.
Hardly. What is, in this situation, unskeptical is to be faithful to beliefs based upon, apparently, nothing more than a physical revulsion. "The willies" don't make you skeptical, they make you emotional.
Beyond that, I'm not saying that your opinion or Slater's opinion that homosexuality is disgusting are invalid. You're free to be disgusted by whatever you feel like being disgusted by. But to then base your opinion of someone else's sanity on your own feelings of revulsion is downright hypocritical of someone claiming to be a skeptic.
Onto your argument about homosexuality and pedophilia:quote:
My point is, Gorgo, that the distinction between the two different types of sexual deviation is not unsubtle, distinction is only made by age.
This is a logically bankrupt argument, because there are, as has already been mentioned, plenty of heterosexual pedophiles out there. They're out prowling around chat rooms, trying to get little girls to come out and play. 18 years ago, the FBI busted up a white-slavery ring in, if I remember correctly, Alabama, in which the men running the thing were kidnapping 12-year-old girls and selling them to the highest bidder. Neither hetero- nor homosexuality makes one any more likely to be a pedophile, although just being male appears to put one at greater risk (but let's not forget that teacher who got into so much trouble with her young male student in just the past few years).
Until you and/or Slater can come up with a logically sound argument with valid, evidence-based premises for why homosexuality should be seen as a mental disorder, it is your skepticism that is in question on this subject.
And speaking of mental disorders, is it not the case that many, if not most or all, other mental disorders leave a person incapable to some degree of interacting with society in socially-acceptable ways? If that's a valid premise, then I submit that for homosexuality to be a mental disorder, we would be required to invent a whole new class of disorders, one in which we put those people whose behaviour is such that other people hurt them. Contrast a homosexual with, say, a sociopath. The sociopath might kill someone, simply because that person wouldn't shut up during a movie. The homosexual, on the other hand, might be killed by someone who saw him (or her) holding hands with his/her partner during a movie.
It's an odd mental disease, indeed, which makes other people a danger to you, and not you a "danger to yourself or others."
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 06/17/2003 : 22:08:41 [Permalink]
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welshdean:
The difference between homosexuality and paedophilia is not as comfortably distinct as some of you pc sheep may wish to believe.
As others have pointed out, there is no link between paedophillia and homosexuality. A pedophile is a pedophile, sexual orientation notwithstanding.
And while you may not have been referring to me specifically with that "pc sheep" remark, since I hold the view that gays should be treated with the same respect that I expect to be treated, that is, as an individual, I feel obliged to comment anyway.
I did not consult with my peers before choosing to not be offended by or hateful to gay people. I have no little book that I flip through to see what my views on this or politics or anything ells should be. I didn't wait for a consensus of opinion. I have no fear of having the wrong opinion if I have done my research, or have a strong gut feeling about how I think things should be. I come by my views honestly. If you happen to think I'm wrong about something, tell me why and be prepared to back it up. I guess what I'm saying is fuck you Welshdean. Don't even think of calling me a "PC sheep" simply because I do not share your view on this or any other matter. There is nothing lazier then supporting your view with an ad homonym. I find this one to be especially offensive because it brushes aside all opposing arguments as unworthy with a wave of a self righteous hand... |
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Fireballn
Skeptic Friend
Canada
179 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 22:15:09 [Permalink]
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| Cold, you can't be true to your queen. We haven't had one since 1867.......oh nevermind |
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Cold in here
New Member
Canada
48 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 22:42:17 [Permalink]
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Actually Fireball my dear friend, she is still our Queen. We are a Constitutional Monarchy. Why do you think people still take an oath to the Queen when they go into public office or join the military; why is she still on our money; why do we have a Governor General; why does the royal family still take tours of Canada (especially on events like the Golden Jubilee); but thanks for coming out.
Just in case you still doubt me, here's her official biography from the Canadian Government.
http://www.pch.gc.ca/special/jubilee/e-biography.htm
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2003 : 23:20:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cold in here
Actually Fireball my dear friend, she is still our Queen. We are a Constitutional Monarchy. Why do you think people still take an oath to the Queen when they go into public office or join the military; why is she still on our money; why do we have a Governor General; why does the royal family still take tours of Canada (especially on events like the Golden Jubilee); but thanks for coming out.
Just in case you still doubt me, here's her official biography from the Canadian Government.
http://www.pch.gc.ca/special/jubilee/e-biography.htm
I'm glad you're well educated of our country.
That's nice to know. My mother was Canadian and used to speak of the Queen with respect. I still have a cookie tin with a photo of the Queen on it that she kept in the China cabinet. Although that was many, many years ago and I myself was born in California I think through my mother I learned to have some awe of Her Majesty too. |
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 23:27:44 [Permalink]
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Actually Fireball my dear friend, she is still our Queen. We are a Constitutional Monarchy. Why do you think people still take an oath to the Queen when they go into public office or join the military; why is she still on our money; why do we have a Governor General; why does the royal family still take tours of Canada (especially on events like the Golden Jubilee); but thanks for coming out.
Just in case you still doubt me, here's her official biography from the Canadian Government.
http://www.pch.gc.ca/special/jubilee/e-biography.htm
I'm glad you're well educated of our country.
Yep she's our queen as well.......we love her dearly...
Don't blame poor fireball, he is too busy lamenting the fact that Canada is not at war with Iraq to worry about minor things such as a Head of State. |
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