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James
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 Posted - 10/12/2001 : 22:00:08 [Permalink]
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Rift, Hook-
My thoughts & condolences to you. Rift, take your time to post again. We'll all be here. Just don't take too long.  
Prayer is nothing more than "spiritual masturbation". -theatheistknight |
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Trish
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USA
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Posted - 10/12/2001 : 23:07:48 [Permalink]
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Sorry to hear about your mother, my sincere condolences to you and your family. I went through a personal tragedy involving violent death and injury to a family we were very close to on September 6th. I was amazed how that personal event and the events of September 11th got so intertwined, making it ever so much harder to recover from either. Now, my mother-in-law is dying of cancer. I'm sure my perspective at this point is pretty warped, but this does seem to be a grim autumn.
And, yes, the trolls and cranks seem ever so insignificant and not worth the bother.
Take as much time as you need. The trolls will still be there when you get back, no doubt.
(P-)>
We are all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars.
Hook,
Missed this, my thoughts are with you also. This has been a really bad month for alot of us.
Trish
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying." ~Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. |
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/13/2001 : 10:49:12 [Permalink]
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Hey guys, sorry to hear the bad news. I've been on the road for a few days, and I missed your post. Hang in there. I remember how I felt when my mom died a couple of years ago. There are still times I'll think of something I want to tell her.
I'll probably have to wait til I get home to see Hoaxland's newest rand. I'm near Dallas-Ft. Worth right now, using my brother's computer. Man, I thought myconnection was slow!
Lisa
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/13/2001 : 19:41:26 [Permalink]
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Dog_Ed:
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Torsten--
Absolutely right. Theories in science always, always play second fiddle to observational and experimental evidence. If a theory doesn't agree with the evidence, out it goes. In the fundamentalist Christian worldview, evidence always plays second fiddle to the Bible: the Bible cannot be disproven, therefore the evidence itself must be wrong, or wrongly interpreted. As you note, this is exactly the opposite of the scientific view, and therefore anti-science right to the core.
Fortunately, I think that nearly all Christians vote with their feet, as it were, in that they embrace the products of science wholeheartedly. Mainstream Christianity is already changing to conform to the universe as revealed by science, and those fundamentalists who oppose science will find themselves increasingly isolated. That's my opinion, anyway.
Great post!
ljbrs
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Rift
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2001 : 08:42:47 [Permalink]
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Thanks guys. :) My family and I are hanging in there pretty good... :)
Sorry to hear you all are having problems too Hook and Trish. My thoughts with you guys too.
Mom went into the hospital a week to the day after September 11th, and died 2 weeks to the day after that... It is amazing how intertwined my personal tragedy and feelings got messed up with the terrorist attack also, Hook, making both harder to come to terms with. One top of everything, the mother of one of Mom's pallbearers, very good friends of the family, had a heart attack the day before Mom's funeral and is still in the hospital. :/
I wore a red, white, and blue ribbon to Mom's funeral, and was amazed how many other people were wearing similar small reminders to the 11th attack...
One a much happier note, my next door neighboor had a baby a week after Mom died, which helps a great deal :)
One last thing... Dunno if you caught the 'prediction' hoagland made for a terrorist attack on DC yesterday at dawn. Usually his ravings get on my nerves, but this was so damn funny, and is even funnier now, and was exactly what I needed, lol. :P
"Real Patriots ask questions." Carl Sagan, The Demon Haunted World |
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Randy
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James
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Posted - 10/14/2001 : 18:04:50 [Permalink]
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Aw, shoot, Randy. Ya beat me to it. 
Anyhoo, from what I have seen that's the only time he's posted there. So far.
Prayer is nothing more than "spiritual masturbation". -theatheistknight |
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rubysue
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2001 : 19:40:49 [Permalink]
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Rift
Sorry about your Mom; you have my sympathies and thoughts.
2001 has been a real pisser so far; both of my parents have had serious health problems, too, and who knows what will happen in the near future...
rubysue
If your head is wax, don't walk in the sun.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2001 : 19:43:53 [Permalink]
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rubysue,
Don't leave us here (Astronomy Forum) at least please. I do enjoy many of your comments.
Trish
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying." ~Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. |
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Kaptain K
New Member
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2001 : 21:14:52 [Permalink]
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Rubysue,
I agree with Trish. Please stay with us. Just avoid the forums (fora?) where Gorgo hangs out.
I, for one, still miss you on the BABB.
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Dog_Ed
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 10/15/2001 : 00:38:07 [Permalink]
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Rift, Hook, all others: Personal tragedies certainly crystallize emotions, and I sympathize--my last big one was several years ago and it still resurfaces now and then.
ljbrs: Thank you!
Rubysue: Rule #1: You must do what is necessary. Rule #2: Only you decide what that is. So if online forums are bugging you, either cut 'em out or do more lurking and less responding. There's certainly no percentage in tormenting yourself. I get all pissy at Bouw, Mifletz, and the other geocentrists but I also end up learning a lot of real science I otherwise wouldn't have investigated, so for the time being I'm staying on the frequency. But I can see that if the dynamics changed just a little bit I would have to drop it. Good luck to ya whatever you do...!
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Russ
New Member
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2001 : 11:21:59 [Permalink]
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Well kids, really bad news... And the reason i've been sparse lately...
My mother died last week. She had gotten better, and we were hopeful she would be home for her birthday on oct. 3rd. She suddenly got worse, caught pnemonia and went into septic shock again. (I've seen it twice now, i never want to see it again). Her poor heart just couldn't take it anymore (this had been going on for two weeks), and she died October 2nd, just a few hours shy of her 67th birthday.
Although I went through my father's death 18 years ago at the age of 20 (at a time when I really needed him) it doesn't really get any better. You might get more numb and less hysterical, but it's not something to get use to.
Needless to say, i'm a nervous wreck. September 11th made me a mess even before my mother went in the hospital. (I have to say that the last month has to be the worse month i've ever lived through, lol)
To show how bad it is, Hoagland has a new kookier, crazier, rant on his board, and I don't even care. lol :) (at least i still have my humor...)
Anyway if you're curious, Hoagland is making a prediction that something *not trivial* will happen in DC on November 17. why? the stars are aligned right ::sigh::
If you think you can wade through the inane ramblings- http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm
For some reason the events in my life have made anything hoagland says *trival* now...
Anyway, I really appericiated the well wishes when I told you all my mother was in the hospital. I just wish I could tell you good news :(
I'll probably be sparse for a while more. Ranting and raving about trolls seems to be a low priority with me now :) no matter how fun it may be, lol
"Real Patriots ask questions." Carl Sagan, The Demon Haunted World
Rift , Hook:
I know how you feel. Giving up loved ones to the realities of the universe is.......THE unpleasant fact of life as we know it. I've been through it twice in short order myself.
My friend and check pilot Roger was killed in a plane crash 9/11/00. My mother died of accumulated ills 2/11/01. 9/14/01 the FBI notified me that the student pilot that killed Roger on 9/11/00 was training to fly what turned out to be the 9/11/01 WTC/Pentagon attack.
You never know what cruel twist of fate lies beyond the next cruel twist of fate.
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 10/15/2001 : 13:33:00 [Permalink]
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My friend and check pilot Roger was killed in a plane crash 9/11/00.
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9/14/01 the FBI notified me that the student pilot that killed Roger on 9/11/00 was training to fly what turned out to be the 9/11/01 WTC/Pentagon attack.
You never know what cruel twist of fate lies beyond the next cruel twist of fate.
Russ: that is truly amazing.
But if I read your post correctly, your friend Roger and his student were both killed. If so, then perhaps that tragedy (for you and Roger's loved ones) could be seen as having saved countless others' lives, much as the actions of the PA passengers did. I'm suggesting that if he'd survived and completed his training, the student might have flown a fifth hijacked plane that day, and planted it in who knows what target.
-- Donnie B.
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Russ
New Member
USA
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Posted - 10/15/2001 : 14:13:21 [Permalink]
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My friend and check pilot Roger was killed in a plane crash 9/11/00.
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9/14/01 the FBI notified me that the student pilot that killed Roger on 9/11/00 was training to fly what turned out to be the 9/11/01 WTC/Pentagon attack.
You never know what cruel twist of fate lies beyond the next cruel twist of fate.
Russ: that is truly amazing.
But if I read your post correctly, your friend Roger and his student were both killed. If so, then perhaps that tragedy (for you and Roger's loved ones) could be seen as having saved countless others' lives, much as the actions of the PA passengers did. I'm suggesting that if he'd survived and completed his training, the student might have flown a fifth hijacked plane that day, and planted it in who knows what target.
-- Donnie B.
Brian: "No, no! You have to think for yourselves!" Crowd: "Yes! We have to think for ourselves!"
Acutually Roger was alone in the plane he was flying. The student pilot was in another plane that crashed into Roger's plane.
To date the FAA thinks the students' inability to understand English instructions from the tower and the towers' inability to detect this, is what caused the crash. They cleared Roger to land and told the student to extend down wind. The student didn't and they crashed while both were on short final.
In pilot lingo this is known as an MFU or Major Fuck Up.
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 10/15/2001 : 18:47:28 [Permalink]
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Well, Roger, wherever you are:
Thanks for taking out a terrorist, even if you didn't know you were doing so.
Guess this is pretty far OT, though...
-- Donnie B.
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