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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
 Posted - 09/14/2001 : 10:44:04 [Permalink]
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Dear
[ ] Piper [ ] Wannabe [ ] Clone [ ] Alias
[X] JW [ ] Wannabe [ ] Clone [ ] Alias
[ ] Spoq
[ ] Mifletz
[ ] Hoax Believer
In your last post, you were talking about
[ ] the moon hoax
[ ] Creationism
[ ] Gamma Ray Bursts threatening life on Earth
[ ] the existance of UFO's
[X] variability of the speed of light
During this time, you
[ ] engaged in an ad hominem attack
[X] used a "begging the question" logical fallacy
[ ] cited Hoagland as a source
[ ] continually pointed to your website as definative proof
[ ] contradicted yourself in your own post
[ ] used an "appeal to ignorance" logical fallacy
[X] seemed not to read or comprehend the response to your post
[X] covered your ears and went "Lalalalalalalala"
[ ] engaged in a "post and run" game
It is suggested that you
[ ] read the BABB rules
[ ] read the moon hoax page on this site
[X] get a introduction to logic book and study it
[X] start responding to the chalenges to your post with proof
[X] state your sources
[X] refute the evidence against your position
[X] get professional mental help
[ ] stick around and defend your theory
Sincerely,
The sceptical posters of the BABB
Seemed appropriate at the time. Won't put it on the BABB.
Edited by - Valiant Dancer on 09/14/2001 10:45:12 |
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Rift
Skeptic Friend
USA
333 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2001 : 11:47:14 [Permalink]
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LOL- I love it.
Maybe if we just ignore JW he'll go away.
MY 'problem' with JW is it is sad to me... He is obviously a very intelligent person. And when he's not in one of his moods, he's a very likable guy...
"Goddammit! The world is just filling up with more and more idiots! And the computer is giving them access to the world! They're
spreading their stupidity! At least they were contained before--now they're on the loose everywhere!"? |
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2001 : 12:20:51 [Permalink]
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Valient that was great. Too bad you can't put that up on the BABB, just about everyone would get a kick out of it. But it might also bring some trolls out of the woodwork.
Well, so the speed of light is now a "fad". Hmmm. You know another fad I'd like to see out the door? The amount of darned gravity we have. I don't like the result when I step on the scale in the mornings. I'd like to see about 1/4 less. We got rid of disco, polyester leisure suits, and ties I can sail a boat with. I say gravity is next. I mean, how much does one little planet need, anyway?
Lisa
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
1496 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2001 : 12:31:53 [Permalink]
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quote:
Well, so the speed of light is now a "fad". Hmmm. You know another fad I'd like to see out the door? The amount of darned gravity we have. I don't like the result when I step on the scale in the mornings. I'd like to see about 1/4 less. We got rid of disco, polyester leisure suits, and ties I can sail a boat with. I say gravity is next. I mean, how much does one little planet need, anyway?
Lisa
You got it! (When I shop for a new bathroom scale, I just line 'em up, step on each one, and pick the lightest. Logical eh?) However, lowering Earth's gravity is a tough problem. There is one solution. (Of course it's extremely expensive.) We colonize Mars. We'll all loose 20 pounds! Another reason (far down the list) to explore the fabulous red planet!
Chip
"I'd never join an organization that would have a man like me as a member." |
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
1496 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2001 : 12:54:32 [Permalink]
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Somebody want to smack JW for me???
I've responded to, and read enough of his posts over about two years to realize that the various arguments he poses (i.e. speed of light, anti-SR, etc...) are motivated by something deeper which, reading on and between the lines, seems to be political-geocentric-anti Einstein, behind the anti-SR. His earlier posts about the universe having a center, and his literal interpretation of George Lemaître's poetic description of "fireworks" for the “Big Bang” are further motivated by a non-scientific agenda that occasionally reveals itself. I've noticed that Tim Thompson has responded now in a short, blunt way. Bravo Tim.
By the way, Lemaître also referred to cosmic rays poetically as “smoke.” And in Lemaître's theory (called the Primordial Atom,) the “fireworks” happen after the expansion begins. JW's earlier posts were very mean spirited jabs directly at Einstein himself, and that's what moved him right into the crank category for me. (I guess he doesn't know that Einstein kind of liked Lemaître when he met him in California in the 1930s.) JW is smart, wrong, and nasty. But maybe he'll discover something and grow up someday. (But I am not going to help him.) Therefore…
I'm also on the non-JW diet. (-;
Chip
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Kaptain K
New Member
USA
45 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2001 : 13:01:01 [Permalink]
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JW just drives me up the wall. I am torn between replying to his posts to point out the fallacies in his reasoning and just ignoring him like "He who shall not be named".
His latest error is (or appears to be) that he thinks that "z" (coefficient of redshift) equals "multiple of "c" ".
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
417 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2001 : 13:31:50 [Permalink]
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I was mortified to find that JW *agreed* with me after I posted in the "Why did the WTC fall straight down" thread. I actually went back to find out what I'd done wrong.
With friends like that... 
-- Donnie B.
Brian: "No, no! You have to think for yourselves!" Crowd: "Yes! We have to think for ourselves!" |
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
431 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2001 : 17:28:46 [Permalink]
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great response, Valiant.
My problem with JW mirrors Rift's to a certain degree...I don't understand how someone as capable as he (JW) is can be so very proud of the fact that he's mathematically challenged, and so dead-set against learning any differently, and so firmly entrenched in his "if it contains math, then no normal person can accept it as truth" attitudes. |
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James
SFN Regular
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2001 : 18:35:59 [Permalink]
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...I don't understand how someone as capable as he (JW) is can be so very proud of the fact that he's mathematically challenged, and so dead-set against learning any differently, and so firmly entrenched in his "if it contains math, then no normal person can accept it as truth" attitudes.
Why does that sound like a few rednecks I know? Not namin' names, though.
The way I see it, christians are godless too...they just don't know it yet. |
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Rift
Skeptic Friend
USA
333 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2001 : 20:01:27 [Permalink]
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Now he's calling it an "urban legend".
"Fad", "urban legend"... At the risk of sounding like an 8 year old, JW is the one that always starts it and baits us, BA!!!
Mommy, make him stop! (okay, now I'm really sounding like an eight year old  }
"Goddammit! The world is just filling up with more and more idiots! And the computer is giving them access to the world! They're
spreading their stupidity! At least they were contained before--now they're on the loose everywhere!"? |
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
431 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2001 : 20:11:42 [Permalink]
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Now he's calling it an "urban legend".
"Fad", "urban legend"...
This is known as 'stacking the deck', something at which JW excels.
Don't fall for it, folks.
(I know, I'm preaching to the choir here.)
"If in the last few years you haven't discarded a major opinion or acquired a new one, check your pulse. You may be dead." |
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Dog_Ed
Skeptic Friend
USA
126 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2001 : 21:10:52 [Permalink]
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Rift, you just keep on ignoring JW. Don't let him sour the BABB for ya.
My 84-year-old father doesn't believe in black holes, and kind of suspects relativity and the expanding Universe are incorrect theories. JW might be similarly set in his thinking. (My father, on the other hand, is one of the gentlest and politest men I know.)
Well, I'm not going to jump into JW's ring. Checking some of the Galilean Electrodynamics pages and anti-Relativity websites convinced me that to refute the whole business would more trouble than it's worth. They're slippery--they say "some experiments" disagree with the predictions of relativity, but never give specifics.
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Kaptain K
New Member
USA
45 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2001 : 03:39:13 [Permalink]
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Hi, everybody! My name is Karl and I am a JW-holic.
Hey!! I did it. I waded through JW's latest load of bovine excrement and I managed to suppress the urge to respond.
"Just for today, I will not respond to JW."
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
1266 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2001 : 10:26:49 [Permalink]
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"Just for today, I will not respond to JW."
LOL! "I have not been responding to JW's posts for ___ days, now!"
I am afraid I'm not clever enough to come up with a good signature, eh? |
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Hook
Skeptic Friend
USA
79 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2001 : 11:10:14 [Permalink]
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Hello, folks!
So this is the BABB lounge. I know you folks have mentioned this place many times, but I just got around to wandering over here. Hope you don't mind if I join you.
I'm a JW-addict to, but I can quit anytime.
There is a deeper agenda to JW, but the key problem there is that If JW can understand it, it is good science and if he can't understand it it is wrong. Period. That's his evaluation criteria.
Sub-rule 1: If he thinks he understands it, even if his interpretation is wrong, then his interpretation is good science and all others are wrong.
Sub-rule 2: If the explanation depends on understanding the math, the theory is likely wrong and the math is being used by the elitist scientists to fool the gullible public, the little guy that JW is fighting for.
I know there is nothing you folks don't know here. It's just nice to have a place to come out and say it without BABB being torn up in a torrent of flame (hmmm, not the best analogy for this week).
Nice to share your company, I learn quite a lot over on the BA board, thanks to you folks, Tim, BA and a few others.
(P-)>
We are all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars. |
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