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Kaptain K
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Posted - 09/21/2001 :  03:53:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kaptain K a Private Message
Hook,
You remember correctly. My father was a psychiatrist. But, he was not a "shrink" (i.e. couch, 50 minute hour, etc). His field was preventive psychiatry. Basically he held week-long seminars for CEOs to teach them how to keep their employees sane (at $3000 each) and then after dinner the last day of the seminar, he would clean them out at poker :)

Me... I'm a rediculously over educated fork-lift driver.

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James
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USA
754 Posts

Posted - 09/22/2001 :  21:39:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send James a Yahoo! Message Send James a Private Message
Stupid Band Names

Believe me, you will laugh your @$$ off!

The way I see it, christians are godless too...they just don't know it yet.
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Zandermann
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USA
431 Posts

Posted - 09/23/2001 :  12:41:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Zandermann an AOL message Send Zandermann a Private Message
Gosh...I sit out a few days being sick, and then I come back and find that both Spoq and JW are now personae non grata!

And there was much rejoicing.
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Kaptain K
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USA
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Posted - 09/23/2001 :  19:11:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kaptain K a Private Message
quote:

Gosh...I sit out a few days being sick, and then I come back and find that both Spoq and JW are now personae non grata!

And there was much rejoicing.



Yup! Now if the BA will just ban John Kierein and his troll-like obsession with "Compton" redshift in the face of opposition from others who know the field better than he does (Keith, Karl and Spaceman Spiff to name a few).

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The Bad Astronomer
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137 Posts

Posted - 09/23/2001 :  20:41:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Bad Astronomer's Homepage Send The Bad Astronomer a Private Message
quote:

Now if the BA will just ban John Kierein



John is unfailingly polite and quite willing to listen to the opposition. He has asked me several pertinent questions via email, and is honestly curious about the results. I doubt he will ever change his mind (about redshifts or ET life in molecular clouds), but he has never been rude, used bad language, called anybody names or gotten a hugely defensive/paranoid complex about the discussions, even when they are totally against him.

Despite JW's whining, I have never deleted a post because I disagreed with it, except for Spoq's Nostradamus post. I'm not going to start now.

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The Bad Astronomer
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"With tremendous respect to [the] BA, the problem isn't getting scientists to talk, the problem can be getting them to shut up."
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Trish
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Posted - 09/25/2001 :  07:54:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
John Kierien seems like a nice although curious character. He's definitely interesting, however, I hope people are willing to respond to his posts when someone asks questions in as reasonable a manner as John uses. Though, I've never seen anyone respond in anything but a reasonable manner.

He's YOUR god, they're YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell!
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Chippewa
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Posted - 09/26/2001 :  02:11:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Chippewa's Homepage Send Chippewa a Private Message
quote:

John Kierien seems like a nice although curious character. He's definitely interesting, however, I hope people are willing to respond to his posts when someone asks questions in as reasonable a manner as John uses. Though, I've never seen anyone respond in anything but a reasonable manner.




He seems like a nice fellow. I think some of his posts are ummm...interesting though he sometimes tends to make odd sweeping statements without proof. (I've done that too, but at least it's good to say "I can't prove this.") I agree with the BA that Mr. Kierien is always polite. I also think he has had some kind of background with NASA and was involved with Skylab.

His wildest "theory" to me is the one about alien life inside dark interstellar clouds. Again, no method of proof offered, but he does draw attention to the fact that our perception of what alien life could be is based on terrestrial Earth-like planets. (Why not? Seems like the place to start.) Maybe, we're the oddballs, and "normal" life in the galaxy if very different. I just wish John would say "and here are experiments that might prove this..." (I don't know what that would be though (-;)
Chip

"I'd never join an organization that would have a man like me as a member."
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Dog_Ed
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USA
126 Posts

Posted - 09/26/2001 :  16:09:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dog_Ed's Homepage Send Dog_Ed a Private Message
Quick note: I attempted an email reply to the guy who hit the BABB with the "Debunking the Debunkers" article, and got this back: 554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account(liberalism@yahoo.com) So bang. Spam.

"Even Einstein put his foot in it sometimes"
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Rift
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USA
333 Posts

Posted - 09/26/2001 :  19:40:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rift a Private Message
quote:
Quick note: I attempted an email reply to the guy who hit the BABB with the "Debunking the Debunkers" article, and got this back: 554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account(liberalism@yahoo.com) So bang. Spam.


Sounds like Winston Wu from the Sci.Sceptic Newsgroup. Did the BA delete the post, I couldn't find it? Winston Wu (they call him wu wu) has some interesting ideas to say the least. I think he's young and will make a good skeptic when and if he figures things out. He seems to think that people don't/won't lie and you can take eyewitness accounts as hard evidence...

"Goddammit! The world is just filling up with more and more idiots! And the computer is giving them access to the world! They're
spreading their stupidity! At least they were contained before--now they're on the loose everywhere!"?

Edited by - Rift on 09/26/2001 19:42:17
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Lisa
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USA
1223 Posts

Posted - 09/26/2001 :  22:52:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Lisa a Private Message
Yep, looks like Phil gave that post the Order of the Boot.
Rift, wondered where you'd been. I saw the whole Hoagland thing start up again, and I was sure you'd jump in. (This comment may have been overtaken by events. Haven't been to BA in 12 hours)
Lisa

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Rift
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USA
333 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2001 :  08:29:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rift a Private Message
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Rift, wondered where you'd been. I saw the whole Hoagland thing start up again, and I was sure you'd jump in.


LOL, I almost did...

My mother has been in the hospital, and I've been busy. Last week she had surgery, and Friday she went into septic shock, and we thought we lost her. Damn that was scary. Anyway, she's doing better. But she hates hospitals and she's already tried to escape. They've put her in restraints, lol. We try to have somebody down there visiting with her most of the time so she won't do anything stupid...

Hoagland seems kind of irrelavent now :)

Well, more so then normal even, lol.

"Real Patriots ask questions." Carl Sagan, The Demon Haunted World
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Trish
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USA
2102 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2001 :  08:39:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
Rift,

Hope all goes well for your mom and that she gets home soon.

He's YOUR god, they're YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell!
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Lisa
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USA
1223 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2001 :  08:51:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Lisa a Private Message
Rift, sorry to hear about your mother. I hope she's feeling better and everything is okay.
lol she sounds like my mom. After heart surgery she was told she could leave the hospital as soon as she could walk three circuits of the floor unaided. "No mom, you have to take the breathing tube out first."

When that guy wrote in about Hoagland, wanting to know what we thought of him I almost answered "You're new here, aren't you?"
Lisa

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James
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754 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2001 :  09:40:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send James a Yahoo! Message Send James a Private Message
Hope your mom feels better soon, Rift.

Is any of the good stuff still there? I haven't been to BABB in a couple of days.

The way I see it, christians are godless too...they just don't know it yet.
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Hat Monster
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United Kingdom
16 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2001 :  14:14:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hat Monster's Homepage  Send Hat Monster an ICQ Message Send Hat Monster a Private Message
I'm trying my best to post some relevant and interesting stuff on there.
Trying != succeeding, though.

H@
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