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@tomic
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 Posted - 10/10/2001 : 02:06:22 [Permalink]
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Don't for get the 166 backpack nukes from the old Soviet Union that, according to Trish, the NSA says are unaccounted for, and the reports that bin Laden is trying to buy them from the Russian mafia.
I haven't forgotten about those but even though those could do great damage the use of all of them is still not as bad as a WW3.
So at what point you figure George W. has had enough and decides to launch every missle and drop every bomb? Who do you figure the combatants in this WW3 would be? I hear a lot of people fet over it but i still don't see it coming anytime soon. Not over this.
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Garrette
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Posted - 10/10/2001 : 04:19:06 [Permalink]
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Believe it or not (and critical thinkers may know this), not every opinion in the world is equally valid and deserves uncritical air time!
I wish more people would admit this. Ideas, opinions, and beliefs are not created equal. It is not 'insensitive', 'uncaring', or 'racist' to point out when the emperor has no clothes.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/10/2001 : 06:02:55 [Permalink]
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Very true. Unfortunately, people like Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson get all kinds of time.
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Believe it or not (and critical thinkers may know this), not every opinion in the world is equally valid and deserves uncritical air time!
I wish more people would admit this. Ideas, opinions, and beliefs are not created equal. It is not 'insensitive', 'uncaring', or 'racist' to point out when the emperor has no clothes.
My kids still love me.
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Garrette
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Posted - 10/10/2001 : 06:11:53 [Permalink]
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Very true. Unfortunately, people like Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson get all kinds of time
Not 'unfortunately' at all. It would be unfortunate if there were no one speaking out against them.
And to be totally honest, I occasionally listen to el Rushbo (I'm sure this surprises you immensely, yes?).
Two things you can give Rush credit for that you can't give to many of his detractors:
1. He admits up front that he is biased.
2. He lists his sources.
I'll go out on a limb and suggest that I can probably tell you more about those you claim as good sources than you can tell me about Rush Limbaugh (I'm using 'you' in the general sense of those who are Rush-bashers; most I have encountered have never listened to him).
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/10/2001 : 06:24:42 [Permalink]
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Actually, most of my "sources" are very clear about being biased. They're also very clear about the corporate media being biased.
Contrary to the opinions of some, I am open to your most reasonable statements, and that of others. I'm a little more hard on the fundies, but I hear them too. I'd like to hear what you have to say.
http://www.fair.org/media-outlets/limbaugh.html
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Very true. Unfortunately, people like Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson get all kinds of time
Not 'unfortunately' at all. It would be unfortunate if there were no one speaking out against them.
And to be totally honest, I occasionally listen to el Rushbo (I'm sure this surprises you immensely, yes?).
Two things you can give Rush credit for that you can't give to many of his detractors:
1. He admits up front that he is biased.
2. He lists his sources.
I'll go out on a limb and suggest that I can probably tell you more about those you claim as good sources than you can tell me about Rush Limbaugh (I'm using 'you' in the general sense of those who are Rush-bashers; most I have encountered have never listened to him).
My kids still love me.
Stop the murder of the Iraqi people.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/10/2001 : 06:44:42 [Permalink]
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http://www.iacenter.org/fireice.htm
I think he cited NEWSDAY as a source, whether that's correct or not I don't know. I haven't researched it.
I think "The Fire This Time" is well footnoted. My problem is not that Ramsey Clark isn't wrong about a lot of things, it's just that there was no discussion allowed about the whole thing.
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One of Clark's claims, that American engineers knowingly buried alive thousands of Iraqi soldiers who were just waiting to surrender, appears to be original. 9:10
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Valiant Dancer
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USA
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Posted - 10/10/2001 : 06:45:11 [Permalink]
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Congratulations. This post is insane enough to stand as its own rebuttal.
Why, thank you, Gorgo; what a nice compliment! If you judge me insane, then I probably did a damn good job with these rants. I guess me and the other 250 million lunatics in this country who actually want to stand up and fight for our freedoms and security (and really kind of like the place we live) can all go to the looney bin while you and your sophmoric, leftist academics throw milk bones at the rabid wolves of terror.
Go ahead, give 'em Israel, pull our troops out of Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf, stop the sanctions on that great humanitarian Saddam Hussein and let him start up his factories of terror again, pay them trillions in reparations because we allegedly underpaid them for oil for decades, but guess what? IT WON'T BE ENOUGH! There will be more attacks until all moderate Muslim governments are overthrown and then more attacks until we and the rest of the world knuckle under to their rigid Shari'a law. Don't believe it? Read their Fatwa; listen to what they say. It couldn't be any clearer than Mein Kampf.
By the way, in case you hadn't noticed, we are contritely kissing everyone's ass around the world because we accidentally killed four Afghani UN relief workers, but the Taliban have promised that they will sacrifice 2 or 3 million of their people before they give up a confessed mass murderer. Now, who has the superior moral values, Gorgo?
rubysue
If your head is wax, don't walk in the sun.
Rubysue,
Well said rant. Mind stick around a while and helping us "normal" people (normal is in quotes because I don't believe any actually exist) make sure these overly pacifistic people don't let El' Qaeda get in more licks.
We had it comin. Give me a break.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/10/2001 : 06:47:39 [Permalink]
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No one is saying that. You must be dyslexic if you got that out of anything I said.
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We had it comin. Give me a break.
Stop the murder of the Iraqi people.
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Garrette
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/10/2001 : 07:06:19 [Permalink]
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No one is saying that. You must be dyslexic if you got that out of anything I said.
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We had it comin. Give me a break.
Stop the murder of the Iraqi people.
http://www.endthewar.org
Gorgo: Funny, bitching about how America getting where it was on the backs of others sure does sound like "We caused this to happen" diatribes.
By the way, I'm sorry to hear Rush is going deaf. I have heard his show and agreed with very little of it. I think he spends more time patting himself on the back that giving much real information. He sounds a lot like Insight magazine. This magazine is one long Republican rant complete with baseless claims, much like Rush.
@tomic: Your mistaken claim that the fall of the Soviet Union being their own fault. The Soviet Union fell because America and her allies financially isolated the Soviet Union. It's why Korea and Vietnam were important as well as normalized relations with China during the 70's. It help cause the split between Red China and the Soviet Union further denying 1 billion people from the Soviet cashboxes.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/10/2001 : 07:20:35 [Permalink]
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You're confusing me with someone else. Is the U.S. imperialistic? Of course. Is anyone denying that? That does not equate to "we asked for it." Did I expect that our behavior would create many enemies? Of course. Does that excuse criminal behavior? No. No more than the attacks of 9/11 excuse any potential criminal behavior of the U.S.
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Gorgo: Funny, bitching about how America getting where it was on the backs of others sure does sound like "We caused this to happen" diatribes.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/10/2001 : 08:37:21 [Permalink]
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By the way, I'm sorry to hear Rush is going deaf.
Me too. 
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I have heard his show and agreed with very little of it. I think he spends more time patting himself on the back that giving much real information. He sounds a lot like Insight magazine. This magazine is one long Republican rant complete with baseless claims, much like Rush.
My wife and I are regular listeners. I find that while there are some major disagreements with him (religion being the biggest), and sometimes his humor is distasteful to me, he is more often than not right on with his analysis, sometimes profoundly so. He is above all an editorializer and opinionator, not an objective journalist.
I find it ironic that his most vehement detractors claim that they are "sensitive" and "tolerant" people, then make fun of his being overweight (back when he was overweight).
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Starman
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/11/2001 : 00:48:46 [Permalink]
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I find it ironic that his most vehement detractors claim that they are "sensitive" and "tolerant" people, then make fun of his being overweight (back when he was overweight).
It's the same old story:
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."
Might be a cool thing to say but most people saying it are not keen on living up to it.
"A society without religion is like a crazed psychopath without a loaded .45"
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 10/11/2001 : 01:31:05 [Permalink]
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I'd like to say that while I never liked Rush Limbaugh I've tried not to mention his weight. There's more than enough ammo to be found elsewhere.
Best of all I've hardly had to think of him anymore since he more or less disappeared from the national spotlight.
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Trish
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USA
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Posted - 10/11/2001 : 09:16:29 [Permalink]
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"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."
Might be a cool thing to say but most people saying it are not keen on living up to it.
Um, check the military. A lot of us do.
rubysue, love your *rants*.
Have listened to Rush, agree with some, disagree with most. But at least he is honest about his biases.
Gorgo, what potential criminal behavior? What do you see as potentially criminal - when you play with pigs you get dirty. This is going to be an ugly war, with our troops in - often times - the same/similar situations as Vietnam. Unsure who the *enemy* is. Vietnam was ugly, terrorism is ugly, war is ugly, this will be ugly too. Blood on our hands - there's blood on every governments hands. There is no innocence in politics and it's a nice goal but it's not a reality. There will be civilian casualties, that's one of those things that will happen/has happened. To think war can be waged without loss of life is naive. But we want to *play nice* and they don't care.
Kaptain K, I'm not sure we'll see WW3 but I don't see an end to this in the near future.
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