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Garrette
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 Posted - 12/20/2001 : 12:07:04 [Permalink]
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I can't find fault with that last post.
(Except the part about no one caring about my, um, well.... I sincerely hope someone cares)
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Trish
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Posted - 12/20/2001 : 14:07:47 [Permalink]
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I can't find fault with that last post.
(Except the part about no one caring about my, um, well.... I sincerely hope someone cares)
I'm sure you've heard this - it's not necessarily the size but rather that you know how to use it. I'd rather someone know what they're doing - than not. Otherwise the woman can be left wondering if that's all there was.
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 12/20/2001 : 15:32:14 [Permalink]
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I feel the need to clarify what I'm thinking about this (and I feel I used terms that were distracting to my point earlier; reread for the edit).
I seems that some segments of society feel that it is justified in blaming a person for not being attracted to certain people. It's unfortunate, but when one doesn't find a 350lbs. man/woman physically attractive, it's not some character flaw in the person who isn't attracted. I feel like the movie "Shrek" bordered on trying to convey this message, that if you think someone is not physically attractive, then it's you who is a bad person!
The message should be, if you find someone unattractive, that's life, but you sure as hell better not treat them badly because of it. I hope that what I posted earlier didn't sound like I was justifying the type of behavior Trish was describing as having experienced in businesses and such.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 12/20/2001 : 15:36:17 [Permalink]
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Speaking of finding clothes that fit, I know how it is, shopping with my wife. She buys men's jeans sometimes, because you women have the most twisted sizing scheme imaginable. What the hell is a size 6 anyway? Give me inches, people! It's just too bad that men's jeans are different in the hips and crotch, thus making them less than ideal.
It's also too bad custom tailors are either not around or too expensive...
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Trish
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 01:48:25 [Permalink]
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TD - one word about jeans - Rocky Mountain Jeans. Best for fitting women, because they didn't take men's jeans and cut them down to fit women. They just fit period.
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Snake
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 04:32:03 [Permalink]
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What the hell is a size 6 anyway?
Size 6? Why that's my boot size. You have a problem with that? quote:
Give me inches, people
Hum! That is open to ALL kinds of comments. Should we not go there?
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Garrette
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 05:03:34 [Permalink]
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I feel the need to clarify what I'm thinking about this (and I feel I used terms that were distracting to my point earlier; reread for the edit).
I seems that some segments of society feel that it is justified in blaming a person for not being attracted to certain people. It's unfortunate, but when one doesn't find a 350lbs. man/woman physically attractive, it's not some character flaw in the person who isn't attracted. I feel like the movie "Shrek" bordered on trying to convey this message, that if you think someone is not physically attractive, then it's you who is a bad person!
The message should be, if you find someone unattractive, that's life, but you sure as hell better not treat them badly because of it. I hope that what I posted earlier didn't sound like I was justifying the type of behavior Trish was describing as having experienced in businesses and such.
I agree with me.
I mean Tokyo. I agree with Tokyo.
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Garrette
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 05:06:01 [Permalink]
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I'm sure you've heard this - it's not necessarily the size but rather that you know how to use it. I'd rather someone know what they're doing - than not. Otherwise the woman can be left wondering if that's all there was.
Yes, I've heard, and I agree. It applies to both sexes and all parts of the anatomy. I like to think I've learned this lesson. (And if I could figure out how to put smilies in a message, I'd break my own rule this once and actually use the damn things...)
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Trish
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 05:26:41 [Permalink]
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Yes, I've heard, and I agree. It applies to both sexes and all parts of the anatomy. I like to think I've learned this lesson. (And if I could figure out how to put smilies in a message, I'd break my own rule this once and actually use the damn things...)
Uh huh, this is true.
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I seems that some segments of society feel that it is justified in blaming a person for not being attracted to certain people. It's unfortunate, but when one doesn't find a 350lbs. man/woman physically attractive, it's not some character flaw in the person who isn't attracted. I feel like the movie "Shrek" bordered on trying to convey this message, that if you think someone is not physically attractive, then it's you who is a bad person!
Never saw 'Shrek', so I don't know. And it didn't bother me that you used fugly either. I hope I didn't leave you with the impression that the person who isn't attracted to another is a bad person. That was not my intention.
I'm sure I'm as likely to speak more to those I find attractive. I've been running around all day wracking my brain about what I find attractive. I really don't know. Guess it's an on sight thing for me. One caveat - definitely over 5'9", any shorter and I can't wear heels.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 08:39:14 [Permalink]
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Yes, I've heard, and I agree. It applies to both sexes and all parts of the anatomy. I like to think I've learned this lesson. (And if I could figure out how to put smilies in a message, I'd break my own rule this once and actually use the damn things...)
Uh huh, this is true.
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I seems that some segments of society feel that it is justified in blaming a person for not being attracted to certain people. It's unfortunate, but when one doesn't find a 350lbs. man/woman physically attractive, it's not some character flaw in the person who isn't attracted. I feel like the movie "Shrek" bordered on trying to convey this message, that if you think someone is not physically attractive, then it's you who is a bad person!
Never saw 'Shrek', so I don't know. And it didn't bother me that you used fugly either. I hope I didn't leave you with the impression that the person who isn't attracted to another is a bad person. That was not my intention.
I'm sure I'm as likely to speak more to those I find attractive. I've been running around all day wracking my brain about what I find attractive. I really don't know. Guess it's an on sight thing for me. One caveat - definitely over 5'9", any shorter and I can't wear heels.
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain
And people wondered why I was so frustrated. I'm 5'8". Got the "nice guy" speech more times than I care to remember. At least you are nicer. Most women are looking at 5'11" or 6'.
Personally, I don't go for the waif look. It's not healthy.
A freind of mine came up with a list of requirements in a girlfreind.
1) No snow queens. Ice bitches are fine.
2) No re-runs. Remakes are ok.
3) No slash and burn agriculturalists.
4) No tinker-toys.
I'll expain these terms if you'd like.
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Garrette
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 09:11:25 [Permalink]
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Yes, I'd like.
I empathize. Gotten the nice guy speech myself a time or two. And been laughed at out loud for daring to make an approach. No biggie.
The height thing seems to be true, too; I used to be 5'10" and still think so, but some people swear I'm 5'9". The inch seems to make a difference.
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Trish
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 09:17:47 [Permalink]
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Yes, I'd like.
I empathize. Gotten the nice guy speech myself a time or two. And been laughed at out loud for daring to make an approach. No biggie.
The height thing seems to be true, too; I used to be 5'10" and still think so, but some people swear I'm 5'9". The inch seems to make a difference.
My kids still love me.
I don't like flats. At 5'8" I'd have to wear flats. Since I'm not quite 5'7" the lowest heel I can find is usually 1 1/2". I generally wear 3"-4" heels when I wear the things. But I can live with 1 1/2". But were I to date someone at 5'8" - I'd wear flats.
Should say this - the height things is purely my personal problem. I feel weird if I feel like I'm towering over someone.
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 10:27:40 [Permalink]
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Time to weigh into this topic, I guess.
Due to numerous societial pressures, (hollyweird, ads, my mom messing with my head) I'm very conscious of my looks/weight. I was so relaxed when I visited Trish. I wish her attitude would rub off on me permanently. I didn't feel like I had to be fully made-up and dressed to the nines the minute I woke up. Hell, my eyelash curler has been to more countries that most people.
Anyway, although I fight it, I tend to bow to the pressures. Ed and I are headed to St. Kitts in a few weeks. I want to look better in a bathing suit. I've had two small meals in the last five days. Trish, remember those jeans I bought while in Denver? I'd better get a belt, or I'll embarass myself.
I really don't know why I kill myself like this. I once dieted down so far that my husband, best friend, and supervisor had to do an intervention. They threatened to drag me to mental health if I didn't eat. I ended up with a heart condition.
Sorry for the rant folks, but society does demand that women wear a size 8, buy lots of make up, and wear three inch heels. Even if we might prefer jeans, flannel shirt, and sneakers.
Lisa
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Slater
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 10:29:09 [Permalink]
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Personally, I don't go for the waif look. It's not healthy.
We shouldn't forget that "natural selection" is the driving force behind evolution. We all seek mates who are fit candidates to pass on our genes (oh...er...umm...sorry Snake...make that almost all) and secondary sexual characteristics are are prime signs of fitness.
If a man is tall, has broad shoulders and a large jaw these are all signs that he has a high level of testosterone (we'll skip the hair line).
Large breasts in women and large brains all around are also secondary sexual characteristics. We should not be embarrassed over finding these things attractive because the attraction is "hard wired" into us, it's the course that our evolution has taken.
Compared to the rest of the animal kingdom human women's breasts are a ridiculously enlarged. And our brains, that we are so vain about are also ridiculously over sized. But on this planet if a part of some creatures anatomy is disproportionate; like, say, the tail of a peacock; it means only one thing. SEX.
Could be worst --Mandrills like huge red and blue swollen rumps.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 10:31:34 [Permalink]
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Yes, I'd like.
I empathize. Gotten the nice guy speech myself a time or two. And been laughed at out loud for daring to make an approach. No biggie.
The height thing seems to be true, too; I used to be 5'10" and still think so, but some people swear I'm 5'9". The inch seems to make a difference.
My kids still love me.
1) No snow queens. Ice bitches are fine.
Women who are so personally cold that when they emotionally warm up, there's nothing left. Ice bitches have something underneath. Usually something very special.
2) No re-runs. Remakes are ok.
Don't get into a relationship with someone a second time without the basis of the relationship changing. Just "getting back together" under the same ground rules is doomed to fail for the same reasons it failed the first time.
3) No slash and burn agriculturalists.
Some women have the attitude of "If I can't have him, I'll screw him up so bad no other woman will have him".
4) No tinker-toys.
Don't date anyone so mentally screwed up that it will take a very long time to help them get better. Or those that pull themselves apart mentally when they start seeing a real improvement. A corolary is never date someone so screwed up that you can't start helping them get better. This is the realm of professionals.
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